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Climate Bolloxolgy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭green daries


    Will no till even work in this country in a large enough area as it is ...... Genuine question gone from tillage a long time and was only small scale and the plough was used



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You indicated that farms you deem non viable should be subsumed in to bigger operations

    Just to clarify, not me, but plenty of other posters here stated farms wouldn't be able to survive if they were to contribute to emissions reductions. I merely presented an alternative option

    You on the one hand promote diversity of produce in farming, which I agree with, and then later you talk about farms expanding to hoover up the non viable

    It's really quite simple, what is better, 10 tiny farms living on the verge of bankruptcy of 4/5 successful, viable farms which are viable due to economies of scale.

    This is better for the farmers, the consumers, the sector as a whole.

    We are where we are with global warming due to overproduction driven by overconsumption and waste


    In reality we need a more diverse farming sector in Ireland but consumers need to be willing to support local as in the long run it supports local businesses and producers

    No argument there



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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    I would say a lot of farms in Ireland are viable but possibly would be more viable if there was diversity and support for alternatives

    You say farms wouldn’t survive if they have to contribute to methane reductions and I think they can. The approach needs to be a combination of methane reduction through supplements (eg seaweed) and modernisation


    Dairy is seen as a silver bullet of a farming enterprise at the minute but looking ahead your under 25s favour flexitarian and vegan diets does it make sense to maintain not expand production there



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You say farms wouldn’t survive if they have to contribute to methane reductions and I think they can.

    Again, not me saying that, other posters here. I've no doubt the agri sector can adapt to this challenge and come out the other side all the better for it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,898 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    LOL - that must be why Denmark and Germany have the cheapest power in the EU, oh no wait.....


    https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=2491

    You sound like that climate clown John Gibbons who last night on TV3 claimed that fossil fuels are "heavily subsidised" in this country. All I can say is that his definition of a "subsidy" is rather a bizarre one given the governments tax take on a litre of petrol/diesel. Also interesting that companies such as SSE and Energia who are claiming to supply 100% green energy yet are hiking the cost of power on multiple occasions over the past year on the basis of "rising gas prices". I suppose they get away with such BS thanx to airheads who think you can run a modern grid based on the odd breezy day ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,988 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    This is a bug bearer of mine.

    It’s false advertising by these companies who claim they are selling 100% green electricity and it needs to be tackled by the advertising watchdog/regulator.

    It can’t be 100% green electricity as we don’t have a 100% green grid!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,466 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Was thinking exactly this recently. I use Energia for power. The smart meter area in my account is useful for checking hourly power usage, they have a carbon footprint section which shows my energy carbon footprint as 0, the most useless graph ever devised and a complete lie. They are basically telling customers their usage has 0 impact but in reality it's a shared grid and every customer has an impact regardless of who is billing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,988 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Exactly.

    Its pretty **** that they’re getting away with misleading people like this.

    A complaint to the CRU or advertising watchdog is probably warranted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭green daries


    I've thought the same thing all along he's either just spouting the same **** as he hears from the likes of gibbons or is in fact him



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    How is it better for the farmer to run 10 (tiny as you call them) farms? Do you think farmers are slaves? You clearly have no idea about the labour situation on farms at present.

    The more you spout the clearer it is that you are in over your head here and you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    And the 4/5 farms you deem unviable, what do you propose the farmers there do? You are putting 4/5 families on the scrapheap instead of supporting them to diversify and be viable. Often times the family home is on the land, in the farmyard too. Do you suggest sell/lease/what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,083 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Looking at the jobs section in the journal this week, their is some shortage of staff on bigger dairy farms, alot of big herds looking for 2 employees, the salaries on offer of circa 30k, really aren't going to cut it given the current wages on offer in other sectors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭DBK1


    €30k certainly isn’t going to entice anyone into working on a farm. After tax that’s about €490 a week take home pay. A good labourer on a building site will have that earned by dinner time Thursday every week and he’d have been gone home at 5 every evening. He wouldn’t have had to be up during the night calving cows either!

    Realistically there’d want to be closer to €40k being offered to persuade anyone to work full time on a dairy farm and extra then for weekend work. I know it’s very hard to have that type of money to spare to pay out but no one will do it for any less. I suppose the decision to be made then is are you better off with 30 or 40 cows less and manage on your own?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    In reality surely 25-30k is for 39 hr week I'd be thinking then per hour for each hour over that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Ya'd be hard pushed to get someone even for 39 hour week on a farm for 25-30k? Maybe, small maybe at 30k for some young lad looking for experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    30k is about 505 home for 39 hours. I presume it would be hourly rate after 39hrs for a typical 50hr week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    The advantage at present is if it's close by.

    The prohibitive cost of travelling to sites in the cities may be a factor for a percentage of lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Yet another mouthpiece on Pat Kenny this morning.

    Pat isn't there, but the spawn of satan, Anton Savage is filling in.

    Anyway this guy is on about petro states and how they got the words "the phaseout of unabated coal power and of inefficient subsidies for fossil fuels." added to the COP26 draft agreement.

    Then he jumps onto methane and how it is the big one that we need to cut and will drop temps by 0.2 degrees.

    Fair enough so far.

    Then he complains that Ireland signed up to the 30%, but Michael Martin said when he got back we were only doing 10% and the 30% was worldwide.

    He then reminds us we are the biggest producers of methane per capita in Europe and nearly all of it is ruminants and we need to cut it.

    Never once does he even mention that those ruminants are all for food production.

    Do all these clowns suggest that we just stop rearing animals and we all go vegan?

    The other thing that I have noticed is how many spokespeople, climate experts, climate expert discussion group members, climate specialists in colleges, climate journalists there now are.

    Does anyone ever think is it more fecking engineers we need to actually find solutions not more wafflers.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭DBK1


    According to PWC Ireland’s income tax calculator it’s €489 at the moment and will be €492 in 2022 after the USC change. Either way I don’t think the difference in €490 and €505 will entice a lad to work for it any quicker anyway!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,083 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The proverbial gets taken when your in a salaried role, the farmer will in most cases on a busy spring calving system where a employee will be doing 60 hours plus in the busy times use the excuse that in the winter when cows are dry you'll get time of in lieu....

    The one thing you never do when taking a job on a dairy farm is go on a salary, strictly needs to be a set rate for all hours worked plus whatever is agreed for overtime, I learned this the hard way twice before I copped on, in my last job I was on a set wage of 25 aussie dollars a hour, circa 17 euro a hour at the time 2011, plus superannuation on top tax rate for overseas staff was only 20% at the time too, due to staff problems at the time with lads leaving, out sick etc, I never worked a week in 6 months where I done less then 85 hours, a jeep free house and electric was also thrown-in.....

    Their is alot of day-dreaming by farmers at present to what a good labour unit should be costing in the present jobs market



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭green daries


    I agree with you but a lot of these places are gone to 3to4 hundred cows it's not quite as simple...... turning the Titanic springs to mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Data doesn't lie, but people do. Just last night I was watching the France 24 debate, and the topic was France opting for more nuclear and the topic included renewables. One of the commentators said exactly what I have elsewhere - that the cheap cost of renewables is a lie, because it never factors in storage required to achieve equivalncy with 24/7/365 available sources. Renewables + storage are more expensive than nuclear and other options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    10% of goverment revenues are from taxes on ICE motoring. That is some subsidy.

    How can you tell when an eco-worrier is lying?

    When you can see a visible gap between their lips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Energy storage would have to cost $10 to $20/kWh for a wind-solar mix with storage to be competitive with a nuclear power plant providing baseload electricity. And competing with a natural gas peaker plant would require energy storage costs to fall to $5/kWh."

    "According to the lead author of the study, Lukas Mauler, lithium-ion batteries have not yet reached their cost limit and the regression of system cost expectations shows a reduction to $70 per kilowatt-hour by 2050 – about half of today’s market prices."

    https://www.mining.com/scientists-predict-downward-trend-in-li-ion-battery-costs/

    Current battery costs are around $178/kwh and are not predicted to fall to even 3 times that required to compete with nuclear until 2050. The required cost to be competeitive is probably not achievable at all, due to base mining, transport, processing and manufacturing costs.

    Anything further, take it up on the should Ireland go nuclear thread.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cars can do 20 years now easy, why not retrofit cars to run on hydrogen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭einn32


    Talk of hydrogen cars being on offer soon. Also read of development of tanker ships to transport it in liquid form. Great fuel but handling it has always been an issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭einn32


    It would be very good. Powerful marketing has been one of cornerstones of the rise of electric vehicle makers especially Tesla. Hydrogen has an uphill battle given it's unsafe perception.



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