Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

pickarooney · 11-11-2021 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118150979#Comment_118150979

Maybe, but I don't see it. Compared to someone like Marchand he looks slight.

Those numbers are all made up anyway. Dane Coles is listed at 110kg and he's hardly a big hooker. Google reckons Garry Ringrose is taller and heavier than Robbie Henshaw.

TRC10 · 11-11-2021 03:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151327#Comment_118151327

Dane Coles is a big hooker

He's played no.8 for Wellington

Marchand might look bulkier but that's because he's only 5'11.

Sheehan is objectively big for a hooker.

phily2002 · 11-11-2021 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151203#Comment_118151203

Deegan was another who was playing quality, still think he has the potential to be the best 8. Hopefully he gets a run of games but going to be difficult for him with the new format

arsebiscuits1 · 11-11-2021 03:56PM

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Ah no mate, you need to get a proper look at him if you're considering him anything other than an extremely athletic specimen.

The kid is a monster

accensi0n · 11-11-2021 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151327#Comment_118151327

Yeah it's ridiculous, he's only like half the size.

arsebiscuits1 · 11-11-2021 03:57PM

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It could be so much worse than a purple jersey though.......

Craig Casey had that awful haircut on his debut. Poor fella, that's what all the pictures will be.

On a more serious note having family around on your debut is something a few of the lads missed out on and my heart genuinely does go out to them

sydthebeat · 11-11-2021 03:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151289#Comment_118151289

No one? what are the coaches paid to do then?

phily2002 · 11-11-2021 04:00PM

Hendo in for Beirne, Herring to bench

Lsdrugbyfan · 11-11-2021 04:01PM

15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 14 caps

14. Andrew Conway (Munster/Garryowen) 26 caps

13. Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 35 caps

12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 32 caps

11. James Lowe (Leinster) 7 caps

10. Johnny Sexton (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 100 caps CAPTAIN

9. Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 11 caps

1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

2. Ronan Kelleher (Leinster/Lansdowne) 14 caps

3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 50 caps

4. Iain Henderson (Ulster/Academy) 64 caps

5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

6. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 10 caps

7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 33 caps

8. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 21 caps

Replacements

16. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 22 caps

17. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 110 caps

18. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 17 caps

19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 23 caps

20. Peter O’Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 77 caps

21. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 90 caps

22. Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 25 caps

23. Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 94 caps

Eod100 · 11-11-2021 04:01PM

Ireland Team & Replacements (v New Zealand, Autumn Nations Series, Saturday, November 13, 3:15 pm)

15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 14 caps

14. Andrew Conway (Munster/Garryowen) 26 caps

13. Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 35 caps

12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 32 caps

11. James Lowe (Leinster) 7 caps

10. Johnny Sexton (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 100 caps CAPTAIN

9. Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 11 caps

1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

2. Ronan Kelleher (Leinster/Lansdowne) 14 caps

3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 50 caps

4. Iain Henderson (Ulster/Academy) 64 caps

5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

6. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 10 caps

7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 33 caps

8. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 21 caps

Replacements

16. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 22 caps

17. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 110 caps

18. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 17 caps

19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 23 caps

20. Peter O’Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 77 caps

21. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 90 caps

22. Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 25 caps

23. Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 94 caps

aloooof · 11-11-2021 04:04PM

Tadhg Beirne unluckiest to miss out for me, he hasn't done much wrong.

arsebiscuits1 · 11-11-2021 04:04PM

Beirne was not the one I saw benching. Tough call.

But some player to bring on.

Letsfuckinggo!!!!!!

Clegg · 11-11-2021 04:10PM

I think in terms of athleticism that's probably the best pack we've had in a good few years.

Backs are what I expected. Really could have done with Henshaw being fit.

TRC10 · 11-11-2021 04:10PM

Tadhg Beirne's dropping is a bit of a baffling one.

But Faz made some questionable selections last week and got them all right.

molloyjh · 11-11-2021 04:13PM

That’s a good starting XV but outside of Beirne I don’t see that bench having much of an impact. We reverted to type a fair bit when they came on last week and I just don’t see those players bringing a tonne of energy to the game. Hopefully this time next year we’ll have the likes of Sheehan, Coombes/Connors and Stockdale/Addison/Larmour in there. And with any luck we might see one of our other options at 10 kick on too.

11-11-2021 04:18PM

We've three very good second rows so for Beirne himself it's harsh but I don't think it's a bad selection or anything, you could pick any 2 of the 3.

If we go behind, it is not a bench to chase the game. So we need to keep in touch with them no matter what imo.

CMcsporty · 11-11-2021 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151407#Comment_118151407

The Hardest job. Picking the best players who are up to the task and continually building the squad. 10. Burns P45. 15. Stockdale P45

Sounds easy but zero big games to judge Sheehan on. To reiterate, I would have picked him. Farrell has gone with what he knows.

Clegg · 11-11-2021 04:25PM

This was the pack for the QF in 2019. There are four changes to it and I think the four are all improvements on what came before. Healy and Best are legends of Irish rugby, but neither were near their physical prime. Best especially was running on fumes by then. Doris is simply a better athlete than PoM. Conan and Stander is a closer one. In terms of physicality and athleticism they're pretty close with.CJ probably shading it. But Conan is the better footballer.

1. Cian Healy

2. Rory Best

3. Tadhg Furlong

4. Iain Henderson

5. James Ryan

6. Peter O’Mahony

7. Josh van der Flier

8. CJ Stander

Luckycharm · 11-11-2021 04:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151491#Comment_118151491

Henderson is there as NZ have a much more Physical pack than the Japanese. Good team, would rather Sheehan on bench but can see why he would go with Herring for his throwing.

molloyjh · 11-11-2021 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151573#Comment_118151573

VDF has hugely added to his game since then too. Our starting pack is certainly a lot better I think.

ujjjjjjjjj · 11-11-2021 04:31PM

Like the team, Henderson is the right call.

Don't like Herring on the bench mind you but hey ho, he can't get it all right................

Really looking forward to this.

TRC10 · 11-11-2021 04:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151587#Comment_118151587

Nothing against Henderson's selection.

But Beirne is one of our best players and I'd say hes world class. I'd have him at 6.

Larbre34 · 11-11-2021 04:33PM

I'm sure Sheehan would love a crack off the All Blacks, but the prudent management call is to mind him for now. We're looking for finishers not replacements and wily old dogs are the ones for that.

Hard to argue with the XXIII, hope they leave it all out on the pitch.

Brewster · 11-11-2021 04:48PM

We have three class second rows, it will horses for courses at times. Yes it is a tough call on Beirne, but equally it’s an tough call to leave Hendo out of any Irish starting 15. It is my first game back at Aviva on Saturday since Six Nations in 2020, as it will be for a lot of people. I hope we have a full house the following week also against Argentina. We can do this!

ionadnapóca · 11-11-2021 04:55PM

Surprised that Beirne got dropped. Might be an indication that Ireland are going to play it allot tighter.

Anyone know who was calling the LO v Jap? Ryan?

Former Former Former · 11-11-2021 04:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151440#Comment_118151440

I think he was always likely to give way to Henderson, but personally I'd have moved him to six. Then that would be harsh on Doris...

ionadnapóca · 11-11-2021 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151573#Comment_118151573

Would also say van der Flier is a far better player today. He's been off to a flier... Sorry

Clegg · 11-11-2021 05:05PM

I forgot that Greg Feek was New Zealands scrum coach. He was a with Leinster and then Ireland for 10 years. He'll have a lot of insight into what we're trying to do at the weekend.

almostover · 11-11-2021 05:06PM

It's a pity Coombes has an illness for these test matches. Would love to see him on the bench instead of POM. Try scoring machine from 5m out. That's the kind of thing you need coming off the bench. Pete's been a great player but I'm not sure he brings impact off the bench. Tadhg Beirne is unlucky to miss out, but his introduction to the pitch with 20 mins to go should be a boost. If we can get the lineout right we should be able to put in a big performance and give the ABs a fright. Really excited to see this backrow go well, very mobile athletic unit.

Podge_irl · 11-11-2021 05:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151728#Comment_118151728

Not sure playing Henderson exactly denotes a tight game. Given everything I would be shocked if the plan was to do anything except basically try and recreate the Japanese performance.

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