Random EV thoughts.....

05-11-2021 05:10PM

We'll eventually come to the stage where the manufacturers will either have to have cars for sale that sell in volume or otherwise let somebody else to take the market share. By removing all of the taxes for EVs while highly taxing the alternatives, Norway has brought that moment forward. A small market like Ireland could do the same without affecting the coffers. I also suggested that the EV subsidies could later on, with an ample warning, reduced when the subsidies are not needed anymore and the parity of the EV vs ICE pricing is reached naturally.

Mad_maxx · 06-11-2021 04:39PM

looked at three EVs today

Kia EV

Ford Mach E

Audi Etron

Audi wins hands down for me with the Mach E last as its absurdly over priced , EV6 was very good but I prefer a bigger car

going to buy a second hand Etron 55 as you get an almost extra 100bhp , hoping to get it for circa 67 k , few on DD , 90 K new for the 55 with 405bhp

fits · 06-11-2021 05:02PM

Audis ev naming convention is ridiculously confusing.

the_amazing_raisin · 06-11-2021 10:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118128202#Comment_118128202

Agreed, technically the chunky E-Tron is the Q8 E-Tron, but no-one calls it that

I saw a Q4 E-Tron around which is basically the ID.4 clone. It's certainly a looker, I think Audi have got the styling right for that one

Also spotted an EV6 today. Looks a lot nicer in the flesh as I thought it looked a bit meh from the pictures. But it's weirdly small for what should be a big car

eoinfitzokk · 07-11-2021 10:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122365#Comment_118122365

I doubt ESB Networks and their contractors have the levele of resources to manage that level of an installation over a 4-5 year period. The smart meter roll out is a big rollout in itself, add in the resources needed to maintain the currently strained transission network would little else?

discostu1 · 07-11-2021 10:39AM

I was listening to Claire Byrne on Friday I think there was a so 26 were high on the agenda. Electric cars came up. Prices were discussed Claire said no way would she pay out €40k for an electric car its just too much, Claires salary is €216k per annum. Listening to it the average listener would be saying if Claire cant afford /think these are worth buying why or how can I

the_amazing_raisin · 07-11-2021 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130591#Comment_118130591

Maybe she meant there's no way she'd spend that little on a car, only Audi's and Porsches for her 🤣

the_amazing_raisin · 07-11-2021 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130550#Comment_118130550

The great thing about contractors is that you can always get more. They like to be paid though, which is probably the main source of problems as ESB doesn't want to spend a lot of money

And to be clear, the transmission network is fine, the issues are mostly on the generation side due to poor resource management from the big power plants

privateBeavis · 07-11-2021 01:42PM

Was looking to buy 7seat phev this year but ended up buying Superb IV as the santa fe/sorento are like hens teeth!

Absolutely loving the IV (my first auto too). I didn't even consider a BEV as my understanding was the charging network isn't up to scratch yet. But just driving the PHEV for few weeks I would definitely be looking at BEV next. In reality there would be very few times I'd ever be hitting ranges that warrant any anxiety! Currently daily commutes are within even the IV battery range and weekends trips wouldn't go over 200km so I'd rarely ever need to charge outside home/overnight.

This country is like the ideal place to push the switch to electric transport and with climate at the forefront now its low hanging fruit the government are missing a trick if they do the usual I.e. sweet fa!

discostu1 · 07-11-2021 07:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130657#Comment_118130657

Listening to it it was more sure youd be mad to pay that kind of money for one of them things 😎

07-11-2021 09:38PM

You are only getting early delivery of European EVs because the Manufacturers fear you will defect to the Korean Brands. The waiting times on the continent are very long.

zg3409 · 07-11-2021 11:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130550#Comment_118130550

If while installing the smart meter they replaced the white door with one with an EV charger socket and hooked it straight into the esb meter with load sensing. This would take very little extra time, require no extra site visit, and suddenly the owner would have an EV charge point. The rules were changed this year to allow connections at the esb meter, so technically it would be ok, and would not require many extra staff. It's just a glorified outdoor socket anyway, but it would start that mind shift for home owners and renters alike.

They need to be funding charge points like their funding EVs, but even more so. If we say EVs will be cheaper than ICE in say 2025 then we need a charging network in place by then that allows 100% of purchasers to go EV without public/home street charging and apartment charging without issue. I visited/passed 6 50kW chargers today, but I actually skipped most as they were in use. I charged up long before I needed it, in fear when I did need it, the charger would be busy. That's not a way to have a network, and this was a Sunday morning.

eoinfitzokk · 08-11-2021 12:08AM

No matter what way is feasible, ie via that method or the method by which the charger points are currently installed, it all should take a lot more capital and resources which need to be planned within the relevant budgets. Really is a budget issue that drives the resourcing to it.

the_amazing_raisin · 08-11-2021 04:28PM

I'm getting annoyed at seeing the UK doing something right

https://www.electrive.com/2021/11/08/connected-kerb-to-install-190000-charge-points/

I know 190,000 isn't that many in the context of the UK, but the whole idea of installing low profile AC chargers for EV owners who don't have driveways seems to be something that Irish councils just can't get their heads around

It'd be nice to see something being rolled out at scale instead of the handful of lampost chargers scattered around Dublin, and the ESB units that DCC seem to complain about all the time

liamog · 08-11-2021 06:19PM

It'd be nice to see something being rolled out at scale instead of the handful of lampost chargers scattered around Dublin, and the ESB units that DCC seem to complain about all the time

A working was formed last year develop a strategy across the 4 Dublin Councils, they tendered out to develop a strategy

https://smartdublin.ie/the-dublin-region-ev-charging-working-group-supporting-dublins-transition-to-low-emission-mobility/

A tendering process has been completed and contract awarded to engage a third party to deliver an EV charging strategy for the Dublin Local Authorities. Next steps include completion of the strategy whilst also progressing funding applications and related opportunities.

AndyBoBandy · 08-11-2021 06:26PM

”So let’s pay someone to tell us how and where we should install lots of chargers”

I wonder how much the contract was for?

and I wonder what relation of the guy who awarded the contract is to the guy that won the contract….

Dubwat · 08-11-2021 07:47PM

[quote]If while installing the smart meter they replaced the white door with one with an EV charger socket and hooked it straight into the esb meter with load sensing. [/quote]

@zg3409 would you have a link to that white meter box door with an EV charger socket? if I understand you right, something like that might suit me perfectly. Thanks.

the_amazing_raisin · 08-11-2021 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137454#Comment_118137454

I think I read somewhere that by some bizarre coincidence the contract was awarded to ESB Ecars

We're doomed 😬

liamog · 08-11-2021 09:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137454#Comment_118137454

I'd trust a consultant over any plans that involved Owen Keegan and cars

AndyBoBandy · 08-11-2021 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118138322#Comment_118138322

An eCars consultant?

garo · 09-11-2021 09:44AM

This is just a ruse to pass the buck, delay and CYA. We see every governing authority in ireland do that from local councils to semi-state bodies to the top of the government. The politician does not have to take any decisions. Any actual work is pushed out by months or years. If things go wrong they get to blame the unelected consultant. And curiously the same people end up getting the contracts and benefitting. I am old enough to remember the numerous scandals where the preence of consultants did not stop any scandal only made them more expensive and gave the person whose job it was to make the decisions plausible deniability.

zg3409 · 09-11-2021 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137866#Comment_118137866

The esb door with charger socket does not exist, but easily could. The installation rules were changed earlier this year so the installer can connect charger direct to esb meter without going into house, and so mount charger right next to esb meter. Before cable needed to come from inside fuse board.

I know some people have hidden there charger inside a second dummy esb meter box to prevent passing people playing with it. It also looks neater when closed, however it requires the installation of a big box in the middle of the house wall. Better for new builds

ELM327 · 09-11-2021 10:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118138427#Comment_118138427

Anna must have gotten a promotion

cannco253 · 09-11-2021 11:13AM

Claire Byrne last night

2 elderly Fair City actors in an Enyaq - why?

Very negative piece as usual.

Mark did his best (fair play) but the "I don't think it's for me right now" agenda was rolled out again.

Meh

kanuseeme · 09-11-2021 11:41AM

Well if 2 elderly people cannot manage an EV, is it suitable for everyone?

ELM327 · 09-11-2021 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118140205#Comment_118140205

It's not "cannot" it's "dont want to"

liamog · 09-11-2021 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118139709#Comment_118139709

I'm not sure I want a random member of the public who was elected based on their ability to get dog poo removed from outside a voters house to be one the planning a citywide infrastructure deployment

kanuseeme · 09-11-2021 12:20PM

The result is the same, no EV for them.

I will not drive an EV if it cannot do what I want it to do.

eg. minimum range of 400 km(any time of the year) and price of 20000 euro. Plenty of cars with that range, what bothers me is than when they are around the 20000 euro what will the range be.

the_amazing_raisin · 09-11-2021 12:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118140435#Comment_118140435

I'll agree that EVs need to come down in price, but we're not going to see 400km from a budget EV in this decade. EVs for under €20k will have a battery size between 40-50kWh max. 400km means 10kWh/100km, not even a super sleek and efficient Tesla can manage that

Even a petrol Yaris would struggle to get 400km in the dead of winter, so by your own logic you're ruling out a lot of ICE cars

There's a philsophical difference between a budget car and a long distance car

Yes, you can take you Yaris or i20 and drive it from Dublin to Cork and back, probably on a single tank of petrol (although unless you've a petrol tap on your house, you'll need to stop to refuel). But you'll be uncomfortable, and the car will be noisy and inefficient because you're using it outside it's use case

Similarly you can do the same journey in a Leaf40 or Ioniq28 (both currently under €20k used) and you'll need to suffer the apparently massive indignity of charging a couple of times. Again, you're using those cars outside the use case they're really designed for, so it isn't ideal conditions

I'll wager you'll be less stressed after the EV journey though, without listening to a noisy petrol engine and being forced to take a break during the journey 😁

AndyBoBandy · 09-11-2021 12:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118140435#Comment_118140435

If only they could look 2-3 years into the future, and see how much money they'd have saved since moving to EV between fuel costs and maintenance/tax....

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