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How much should a tradesman charge a day?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I understand supply and demand. What do want a response to that I haven't said? Other industries are controlled if you think it acceptable to gouge prices with tradesmen then do you have no issue with others? I mean I can't put up the rent to the market rates so will you defend my desire to put up the rent or do you hold a hypocritical view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I’m not in the trades (I was) and I have

    car insurance, car Maintainence, car tax, car Ntc diesel, office clothes , office equipment, mobile phone, banking charges, paye, prsi, usc.

    to name but a few overheads.


    why do tradesmen get away with creaming it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Great logic there. He doesn't want the job so he priced it so I wouldn't take him up but he then contacts me to ask if he can start. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there. It makes much more sense that he wants to overcharge period no 3d chess moves here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I've only skimmed the thread, because who wants to read a load of rubbish from people who don't understand capitalism. Suffice to say that the idea of "overcharging" is hilarious, because unless you are talking about an alternator then it is a meaningless word.

    Here is my price. Don't like it then don't buy it, but save me the whinging either way. If I can get my price ten times over from other customers then why would I give a **** that some random guy thinks he is special and that it should be cheaper for him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    they are saying it is 4 man days when it is not and overcharging on materials by over 100%. That is simply overcharging I don't have to accept there quote but it doesn't change it is excessive. If I quoted a job and said it was 6 hours work and my rate is €100 per hour and I know it will take just 1 hour I am over quoting if I actually did it in an hour and charged the 6 hours I would be over charging. It is that simple and not really worthy of defending but it surprises me how many people want to. There is no way they would accept this from other industries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Here is where you are wrong. They have to provide a quote before hand and if they don't provide what they quoted then they just broke a contract. I don't actually have to pay them the quoted price. So I could hire this guy and if 2 people weren't there for the full days I can reduce what I pay them by the law. They are required by law to provide a quote.

    If you are fine with pure capitalistic greed then you are happy with other industries doing the same? If not you hold a hypocritical view. Don't like the rent increase then move would be OK with you? There are laws not enforced on tradesmen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You have no idea what you are talking about. Good luck with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,516 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Believe what you choose, I've worked in trades and overinflating the price for jobs you don't want/need is common.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    "A giant engine in a factory failed. The factory owners had spoken to several ‘experts’ but none of them could show the owners how they could solve the problem.

    Eventually the owners brought in an old man who had been fixing engines for many years. After inspecting the huge engine for a minute or two, the old man pulled a hammer out of his tool bag and gently tapped on the engine.

    Immediately the engine sprung back into life.

    A week later the owners of the business received an invoice from the old man for £10,000. Flabbergasted, they wrote to the old man asking him to send through an itemised bill. The man replied with a bill that said:

    Tapping with a hammer: £2.00

    Knowing where to tap: £9,998.00"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    @Ray Palmer Seriously, get some help. Your multiple threads on the evil of tradespeople are bordering on obsession. I’m not even working in trades but even I find it exhausting to read you pontificate about ethics and your inflated ego.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    And you can't even respond to the questions put to you or explain why tradesmen are somehow special when it comes to the law or why other industries don't do what they do. Your very old "anecdote" is just silly. We are talking about basic manual work. You would have no issue with a tradesman over charged and elderly relative?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    To attempt to answer the question. 350 is perfectly fine for a contractor to do a small job.

    If he worked a full 260 days a year (no leave, no nothing) that's 90k a year gross, and that assumes full occupancy, which is impossible when doing small jobs and / or quoting for jobs.

    People are more demanding of quality work on their homes, which is driving up prices for quality tradespeople who are willing to take on domestic jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I don't doubt it but both aren't true at the same time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Here is the solution to your issue, don't read it and go somewhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    That's a loaded question isn't it? You have no idea what overcharging is? You have an opinion of what a fair price is, but it's just that. An opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I'm not convinced you are posting in good faith but regardless, it is funny that you can't understand some basic concepts.

    Here is something that will amaze you. If I landed to your house and said that I wanted €10000 to do a job, and that the €10000 was to cover my time working and also 5 lapdancers to bring me lemonade while I work, well, I still wouldn't be overcharging you.

    Its not overcharging, it is not undercharging, it is purely and simply the price I want for the job, which you are free to accept or reject as you please.

    Children in the schoolyard selling candy to each other understand relative value better than you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭enricoh


    No offense Ray but I reckon you are the problem.

    If I want a job done I ask how much, I don't care what the materials cost or if it gets done in less time I can dock x amount.

    I charge accordingly or refuse to take a job if I get a sniff of a know it all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Oh I find it this fascinating to follow, because you started a discussion without being willing to take any other opinion on board. What’s the point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    What is loaded about it? If somebody says the need 2 people to spend 2 days and they only need one person for 2 days how would I not understand that is overcharging. Are you saying you would be happy if somebody did that to an elderly relative? Is that that a loaded question because it makes somebody think of the person being ripped off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    What sort of a point are you making??

    You get paid a wage yes??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Name a point I haven't responded to. Other opinions are not valid by being other and I responded and agreed with points. If somebody makes the same tired opinion that I have already responded to I am still responding and asking for them to justify that opinion and see if they feel differently when considering the same principle applied elsewhere. Have you got a point because mine is to find out why people are ok with it?

    Why did you exaggerate that I made multiple threads on the same subject? I made 2 with one including shops and other rip off people and another about what people think is a fair days labour charge. So if you are enjoying it good but don't also say you don't like it. Decide engage or move on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    But the job isn't priced based on a person being priced at x/hour. You seem to have an issue understanding this concept.

    As for the elderly question, Would i have an issue "overcharging" an eldery relative. If the person was quoted something then charged extra(if unnecessary) , that's overchanging. Yes I'd have an issue with that Is that what you're asking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    You'd be doing very well to find a good tradesman for 200 quid a day. Sparks are getting a bare minimum of 280-350 at the moment for one of our companies Dublin based projects and plumbers aren't that far behind that price range. I know of one company paying their lads 400 euro for a days work installing air conditioning systems on a Sandyford based site as they under a very pressurised deadline target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    A civil servants gets about 30 days leave and 9 public holidays. Nobody pays the tradesman for his 30 days leave of 9 public holidays.

    So for 39 weeks of the year he needs to make enough in 4 days to pay for 5.

    Then there are days spent going around pricing jobs he doesn't get, pricing jobs he does get, meet contractors, meeting accountants etc. etc.

    So at best he has 4 productive days a week, so €350 x 4 = €1400 a week, €73K a year.

    Deduct accountant fees, insurance, sick pay scheme, van depreciation, pension contributions, motor tax, bad debts, diesel, phone, NCT etc., depreciation of tools etc. etc. That could be €20K pretty quick.

    So the guy is probably on an effective salary of about €50K.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    If you think that fine I doubt most do but again you won't answer a question that would show whether you have any empathy. School children learn empathy and you run scared when asked about it. So you have no problem if a doctor said he would save your life but it will cost all your money take it or leave it. I don't think you have the basic ability to see how you feel applied to everything would make life. I don't believe you are actually thinking about what you are saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Never said they charge hourly just gave an example. They are charging for entire days when they won't be there an entire day.

    Way to avoid the heart of the question. If an elderly relative got a quote where they are being told people will be working for longer than they will and then charged them as if they had been there would it bother you? You know precisely the over quoting and overcharging I am talking about.

    It seems you accept if it is an elderly relative of yours then it is wrong but for all else it just acceptable practice. Do you see how that is hypocritical?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,021 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its amusing that rather than admit you didn't understand the concept of pricing that you now want to effectively cry "Won't somebody please, please think of the children."

    This isn't some pharma giant gouging the prices of cancer drugs, it is a tradesman doing a job at a house, and in that scenario he is perfectly entitled to set whatever price he damn well pleases, just as your old granny is perfectly entitled to decide not to agree to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    Just to clarify, You say the job was priced at 1400 quid. Then you say "After asking some questions to get to the labour costs it was €350 a day and says it will take 2 days with 2 people €1400" Did you deduce this yourself or did the contractor break it down that way? Because I've never heard of a contractor price this way.

    Not avoiding the heart of the question at all, If the elderly relative you refer to was given a price, it's up to them to go with the job or get someone else. Same as yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I am a contractor and the exact same situation as tradesmen when it comes to time off and sick days. You are really adding that all up wrong. Take an accountant, €150 a month tax deductible so costs approx €75 =€900 so within the first week of work year they easily paid for that. They pay less PRSI as they are self employed. They have use of the van outside of work but pay no BIK on and the cost of the van is deductible from their income so depreciation is actually against the company asset and the same with tools. They don't pay for their phone as a private person so that is a gain to to them but no BIK on it. Diesel is tax deductible as are all the expenses.

    They gain from the expenses as do I. Would have a laptop anyway but it is a company expense so I buy a better laptop and same with my phone.

    I don't know if you don't understand or trying to intentionally conflate expenses. If you think accounts work like you are suggesting it just shows you don't understand and from my experince tradesmen don't understand this as few do or understand their accounts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You brought up children not me! I certainly didn't say think of them just they have learned empathy which you appear not to have. You still avoided the question which is particularly funny. I price work all the time for much larger amounts of money and I understand it very well hence I notice hyped quotes. Again why are you so unwilling to answer questions put to you?



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