Random EV thoughts.....

KCross · 31-10-2021 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118096891#Comment_118096891

They introduced at least two bugs with that update so I’d hold off on that.

I presume the original DST issue is moot now anyway until the clocks change again in March since the bug was just that it put the clock back a week early but since the clocks have now gone back it’s in sync again.

the_amazing_raisin · 31-10-2021 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118096993#Comment_118096993

I'm regretting updating now, probably should have read the MyEnergi forum first

Haven't had any issues since the update thankfully, and yes the hour change was a week early, so it's correct now even on the older version

zg3409 · 31-10-2021 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118097121#Comment_118097121

They messed up the clock before on an older update, I always say to zappi owners re firmware updates, if it ain't broken...

Zappi hope on a future update, if a car allows, and their hardware allows they might allow vehicle to grid charging, but no AC car port officially supports it. It's a pity the latest Hyundai did not add that feature. Much better than buying a home battery for solar, just use your cars battery, assuming you are home daytime.

the_amazing_raisin · 31-10-2021 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118097253#Comment_118097253

Yeah my worry is that when car manufacturers start providing AC out on the charging port they do so in a proprietary manner

For example Ford will be releasing a special home charger for the F150 lightning that can do V2H, but what's the bet that only Ford chargers will ever work with this and they'll keep the protocol under wraps?

innrain · 03-11-2021 05:14PM

https://insideevs.com/news/545064/us-shifts-away-from-50kw/

I think we should consider calling the 50kW slow DC chargers.

TitianGerm · 03-11-2021 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113737#Comment_118113737

If I was installing chargers I'd go the following

22kw at areas where people are likely to stay 4+ hours.

50kw in car parks in local towns. Ideally in supermarkets or short stay car parks where people tend to stay no longer than 1-2 hours.

150KW on all regional routes. Ideally on an easily accessible service stations.

That way you match the charger to the usage pattern of the individual.

RandomViewer · 03-11-2021 06:02PM

10-15 years time I'd be thinking electric cars will be charged similar to filling fuel, plug in, insert debit card,whoosh, 10,20,30% charge, in a few minutes,

murt101 · 03-11-2021 08:29PM

Are heatpumps worth an extra €1200 on the cost of the vehicle?

Hoping to order a VW or Skoda model for next year...

the_amazing_raisin · 03-11-2021 10:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114663#Comment_118114663

Generally no, I think the testing showed it gave maybe a 10% bump in range in winter

It'd be cheaper to spend an extra 5 mins at a fast charger

I think VW was actually forced to give a bunch of customers a refund because the heat pump didn't live up to the advertising

https://ecomento.de/2021/06/02/vw-gutschrift-id3-id4-kunden-wegen-geringerer-waermepumpen-leistung/

Article is in German, for some reason google translate isn't working for me today

slave1 · 04-11-2021 09:31AM

First frozen over morning of the season, pre heating via app, crystal clear vision all around, warm cabin, defrosted wipers and wing mirrors and toasty steering wheel. Ah, the unsung comfies of the EV

fits · 04-11-2021 08:21PM

I effing love the preheating.

the_amazing_raisin · 04-11-2021 09:34PM

I'm enjoying the heated seats and steering wheel these mornings. Don't think I'll be able to live without them in future

04-11-2021 10:20PM

SAP taking a lead w.r.t. their company car fleet:

https://www.electrive.com/2021/11/04/sap-says-all-company-cars-will-be-emission-free-by-2030/

NIMAN · 05-11-2021 10:54AM

Listened and laughed yesterday to radio reports on how the government aims to have 1 million ev cars on the roads by 2030.

Why isn't nonsense like this called out, and government ministers made to explain how this is going to happen.

This would basically mean that every car sold from now to 2030 in Ireland would have to be an ev. And we know that in 5 or more years, people here will still be buying diesels.

I'd say 200,000 EVs would be a very ambitious target for 2030, let alone 1 million.

But sure it makes us sound great at COP26.

JPA · 05-11-2021 11:09AM

What would it take to follow Norway's lead on EV sales?

It has to make more financial sense to go electric than not.

SomeGuyCalledMi · 05-11-2021 11:55AM

Ironically, Norway pays for their EVs with the money they make from oil and gas that they sell to us.

But I was just about to ask the same question about the 1 million EVs.

With around 7,000 EVs sold in Ireland in 2021. And Micheal Martin wanting 100,000 sold in 2022.

Are we expecting more in the way of grants anytime soon? I expect something is in the pipeline for the carbon budget

Speaking of calling out nonsense. Sinn Fein said they would bring in a grant for second-hand EVs because the grant on new EVs only helps "the rich". Where are the second-hand EVs going to come from in the first place? There are only 191 EVs on Carzone that cost less than 20 grand.

zg3409 · 05-11-2021 12:19PM

In order to reach the 1 million target they would need to sort out public 50kW+ charging in every town nationwide. In every car parking space and home they need a slow 7kW charger. There is no plan to do this. Without this grants for cars will not drive a sea change approach. Imagine if every new build house sold must have an EV charger (they are doing this in uk), imagine if every apartment parking space needed to have an EV charge point by end of 2022, imagine if every workplace parking space needed a charger by end of 2022, imaging if every pay parking spot needed to have a charger by end if 2022, imagine if UK imports of used EVs were exempt from vat and vrt, imagine if all new car sales of non EVs had an extra 25% tax from 2023, that would drive the change in real terms, but politicians will be politicians and more blah blah blah

05-11-2021 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122240#Comment_118122240

The second hand EVs don't just randomly drop from the sky. So every 212 Ioniq 5 delivered will be with their 2nd or 4th owner come 2029. And hopefully the original owner being impressed with it then drives their 2nd or 3rd subsequent new BEV they since bought.

Norway financed their EV expansion by removing all the taxes including VAT from BEVs while keeping or even increased the punitive taxes on ICE vehicles. They also didn't have a semi state company rolling out an EV charging network but the competition and demand from drivers took care of the charging networks. Maybe their planning laws made building them easier?

If Ireland temporarily removed VAT and VRT from BEVs while introducing an up to 100% VRT for ICE vehicles we could become Norway within 12 months I think.

AndyBoBandy · 05-11-2021 01:38PM

They need to allow folks to import used EV's from the U.K. again, without being punished with duties and taxes... Make it affordable.

Waive Import Duty & VRT for BEV imports from the U.K., with perhaps additional scrappage benefits if replacing an ICE car with a BEV.

Theres not a whole lot of market here for buying new cars, but cars that are 2-3 years old are what people want and can afford... The used BEV market here is almost non existent.. whereas about a 2-3 hour ferry trip across the water..... (there's 3,337 used BEV's for sale on Autotrader)

a Zoe can be got for around £8,000. Leaf's from about £7000. i3 from about £14,000 (all minimum 2015), around £18k for a 3-4 year old 28kWh Ioniq....

Model 3's starting at £37,000 (~€43,500)

Hers's a Model S for €32,000

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109016854542?advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2021&postcode=ll652at&year-from=2010&radius=1500&include-delivery-option=on&sort=price-asc&make=Tesla&fuel-type=Electric&page=1

Make it easier to get these cars into Ireland, waive tax and duties if it means an ICE car gets scrapped.

05-11-2021 02:07PM

The goverment in my opinion currently facilitates consumers buying obsolete cars 2022 and beyond. The govt should really discourage anybody registering any non-BEVs in Ireland from now on.

The NOx tax was a good idea that largely stopped Ireland being dumping ground for toxic older UK diesels. If, what you said above Andy, it was possible to allow imports again the CO2 VRT rate should be fixed 100% for any cars over 100 g CO2/km and say 50 percent between 1 and 99 g CO2/km. Both new and old. And then reduce the VRT and perhaps even VAT to zero for cars that have 0 g rating. Then monitor the situation every year and announce the next change at end of the year coming in force 1 year after that to allow the dealers and buyers time to adapt.

We would be in 75% BEV market share for new registrations very quickly. Something like this will be needed if the government really wants a million BEVs on the road by 2030. The current BEV trajectory totally undershoots the target. The government should have just aimed at as close as possible to 0% non-BEV sales from 2023.

eagerv · 05-11-2021 02:28PM

Second hand EVs are certainly a problem at the moment, just had a look on carzone and only 4 2017 Ioniqs for sale, ranging from 19K to 21K. And a long wait for most new cars which can't see improving much over the next while..

slave1 · 05-11-2021 02:33PM

We can type away all day, it's simply an embarrassing statement of intent that is in no way possible no matter what the so called Government do.

kanuseeme · 05-11-2021 02:33PM

Meanwhile there is another thread where a guy wants to do 350 km without the hassle of charging, leafs, zoes, or ioniq are not going to be acceptable to a lot of people, I cannot blame them who wants to spend 20 k on a car that only does 200 km and possible less with each year passing.

05-11-2021 03:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123019#Comment_118123019

But there are plenty of cars in the country already that are perfectly suitable for such a journey. And if the government reduced taxation on the new BEVs they would overnight fall in price by up to 25% (VAT + VRT 0%) bringing more cars in the palatable price range.

The aim here is to stop registering even more non-zero emission cars in the country and actively encourage the buyer to make the jump.

innrain · 05-11-2021 04:08PM

Don't think it will happen. The gov wants us to scrap the cars altogether and use public transport, which sounds good in theory but what public transport? So even EVs will become expensive to run at some point and I would need to walk or cycle my 50km commute. The question is what's going to happen if we miss the million by 2030?

I think the EV honeymoon is over and is only uphill from now on.

liamog · 05-11-2021 04:12PM

if the government reduced taxation on the new BEVs they would overnight fall in price by up to 25% (VAT + VRT 0%) bringing more cars in the palatable price range.

If the government reduced taxation, the manufacturers would be quick to increase the spec available and charge the exact same on-the-road price. The ID.4 Pure (52kWh) is sold in the UK but not in Ireland. That's because VW know they can fulfil enough orders at the higher price point that they don't need to offer the lower spec in this market.

05-11-2021 04:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123675#Comment_118123675

Norway seem to have real competition even with above due to the car manufactures actually having to sell BEVs as the ICE is as good as dead there now. If VW can't sell what the market wants Hyundai will. It's different from here where VW's bread and butter is a petrol Golf.

liamog · 05-11-2021 04:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123708#Comment_118123708

VW are doing a great job selling what the market wants, that apparently is an ID.4 that starts at €50,000

05-11-2021 04:54PM

But a Golf starts at €29435. Meanwhile in Norway: ID4: Pure from kr 346 280 whereas the cheapest Golf is Life 1.0. at kr 356 199. Which one would you choose?

liamog · 05-11-2021 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123849#Comment_118123849

I'm not sure why that is relevant to my point, you suggested that the government should wave taxes to lower prices. I pointed out that manufacturers are already selling cars above their minimum price point and are happy with the level of sales. Any attempt to lower prices further will just result in manufacturers increasing the spec to maintain a price level whilst enjoying higher margin.

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