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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes ,hopefully .

    We need boosters rolling out a bit quicker now here for HCWs and NIAC need to extend to all at risk groups under 60 .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,878 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Just as I mention it - Donnelly has approved the HCW boosters and rollout starting immediately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    You seem to be determined to turn this into a we’re doing better then them for some reason!

    You mentioned they had 74 deaths today, we had 67 in the past week, multiplied by 13.6 makes 911 to equate to per capita, 74x7=518 so how are we doing better?

    Add in that they’ve been open since June how exactly are they doing worse than us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Can you provide some references to back this up? All I saw in various U.K. media was that they were totting up all sorts of deaths to Covid yet you’re saying they’re very restricted in their Covid death definition, would love to read that.

    Why can’t the two countries be compared? When you look at the per capita figures, and take into account how they have much bigger and densely populated cities, how exactly are we any better when we’re massively behind reopening yet still similar in per capita cases, hospitalisations and deaths currently.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is much much more to life and society than simply keeping Covid deaths as low as possible at all costs.

    Some countries understand that.



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  • Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Their 7 day deaths average is 150, ours is 10. Correcting for population there isn't much in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,788 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They do also count deaths with covid on the death cert when it's listed as one of the causes of death. Seems this would be a more accurate measurement? Currently at 165k. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview%26areaName=United%20Kingdom#card-daily_deaths_with_covid-19_on_the_death_certificate_by_date_of_death



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @HalfAndHalf

    Googled those statistics easily , Ireland is CSO , UK their equivalent . From 2020 , both.

    I am responding to posters who insist they are doing better than us , exactly like you did, and just pointing out that they have double our deaths .

    Its just factual response that is all .

    It is using per capita comparison . Of course cities are worse but there cities have numbers in excess of many large European cities. Actually those statistics are available freely too .

    But if you think having pubs open earlier with no masks etc is a better measure of doing well than number of deaths, we will not agree .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    But we’re not talking about the total from the start like it’s some competition, that’s yourself!

    we all know they made a balls at the start and didn’t shutdown fast enough

    We’re saying that right now, heading into Winter, they’ve had 5 months on no restrictions and we both have comparable numbers and arguably we’ve more weekly deaths yet they’ve had those 5 months to spread whereas we’re just opening most things, still with restrictions and are now seeing increases at the worst possible time of year.

    If you take the hatred out of it, you’ve got to admit that we are in no better, and likely worse state than them right now!

    I’d also add that I see our numbers going up in the next few weeks, if Barbarossa was anything to go by at the Jazz weekend, nobody was taking any notice of the rules, no standing was everyone standing and it walks jammers! Yer man on the door didn’t even look at my Covid pass!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    What is the difference in Ireland and UK then. If bars without restrictions are going to cause us more cases than UK?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That is in the last few weeks when let's face it we have taken a negative turn .

    Let's discuss deaths over the last six months , 12 months , 18months ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deaths ..vs....pubs and clubs .....eh, sorry, most countries are on the same page as us .

    Most of the countries that people bang on about here that are open have had fraction of the deaths .


    If its economically now, are they doing better than is who locked down and wrecked our economy ...oh wait ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    I woke up last Tues with a 39degree temp, most unlike me, i'm 50 and have an underlying condition so was pretty worried, wife insisted i take a test and 1 was booked for me on Wed.

    Thurs afternoon and i'm confirmed Positive, temp had lasted only 12hrs at most, by the Thurs i was 99% sure i had a bug

    Had no symptoms since and in prefect form, if i hadn't of taken test i'd have rocked up into work none the wiser and probably infected so many more.

    Had the J&J 1 shot last May



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog



    I drink and eat out in Howth and South William St. area of town. To my eye people are hugely compliant, I'm sitting in Grogans now and people are being asked for their certs.

    On Saturday I saw a couple being turned away because 1 of the parties vax certs wasn't after 2 weeks. It showed up as a white cross on red background when the guy checked. Weren't allowed in.

    I've a couple of shops, one in George's Street Arcade and Howth and the customers I meet without a mask would be miniscule and at a guess even they aren't wearing one because they forgot (like I've done).

    Compliance and insistence of compliance in Ireland (or Dublin at least) is huge. I'm not long back from Greece and they've much the same rules as us but compliance would be a lot less, but not bad either.

    We can be very hard on ourselves here but from where I sit people are mostly doing what they're asked of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    There is no hatred.... what a funny thing to say. We are definitely not worse, yet anyway.

    It's all facts and figures .

    One of the worst countries in the world , not just last year , but all through this , for cases and deaths .

    A load of posters here going on like you about how wonderful it is over there . It depends what you think is wonderful I suppose .

    Anyway as far as you are concerned there no restrictions and you enjoyed yourself at the jazz.

    Some here think we are still locked down! You just proved that wrong.

    Meanwhile we get a positive review from Bloomberg about our economy being so resilient that it is the top for 2 months in a row , and all people here say is the metrics must be wrong, but Bloomberg , but, but ...

    Sick to the back teeth of the negativity .



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Just read your post minutes after returning from a Tesco. While doing a quick 3 minute shop, 1 customer strolling around with no mask, and then reached till - 2 other customers with no masks. Asked an employee what story was, she just shrugged. I'm a bit dubious about masks myself, but the rules are there, and it pisses me off seeing people not being called out on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Have grogans gone with the bar service. I imagine it would make sense for them as would help with the outside area as opposed to bar staff in and out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    Any shops I've been in masks are being worn fairly compliant.

    Any rural pubs I've been in, a lot of them, people were more or less at the bar counter, no certs, no masks about a month ago.

    The last couple of weeks there has been a bit of compliance at busy times but id say next week the covid theatre will be unwinding again fairly rapid.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    You must have reached a rich vien of non compliance Podge!

    All I can say is of my experience and I'm working in my shops 5 to 7 days a week and I see mostly masked people. I also get public transport when in the city and it would be so rare someone isn't wearing a mask.

    I'm just saying that my experience is that the vast majority of people and businesses are following the guidelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Its sxxx that people do this in shops where all sorts of people are mixing . So many of the assistants are young people who would not be confident in fronting upto some of these bollxxxses and it would need security who are largely nonexistent to sort this out .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Yeah and it's crap because you'll have people on here saying about the pub, oh you stay home and hide under the covers if you like I'm gonna live my life (yeah sure) hard man act. But everyone should be able to pop the shops ha. I think a good general rule in life is don't be a dick.

    My experience though is most people are following the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,836 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Good to hear your well

    Why is there no talk of ending testing with 90 something % of the population vaccinated?

    Are we going to have to get brain swabs for the rest of our lives despite the success of the vaccines????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    You can order at the bar but they'd rather you kept to your seat. In saying that- they're still only serving 'til 11pm as it's a long day on the feet for the staff.

    I'm mostly a Hogan's drinker after work and you've gotta be masked ordering at the bar and again they rather drop it down to you.

    Both busy and popular pubs of which I'd be a regular in and yet I have to abide.

    The dude abides. As does the vast vast majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Ireland has had the longest most extreme and least impactful lockdown in Europe. But boards is full of lock down enthusiasts who think everywhere in europe was locked down like Ireland. I was sitting in a pub in Portugal in June while fanatics on here were saying they felt sorry for poor Portugal under curfew.... couldn't make it up, curfew really got lost in translation, it basically meant the shut the pubs at 10 pm for a couple of weekends, business as normal mostly, shops restaurants all open...

    but yea most countries are on the same page as us...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I was talking about the attitude re deaths ...but you have good point there alright , yes , Portugal did well .

    Outdoor culture much more established .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,836 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The greatest illusion RTE helped create was that Ireland was just like the rest of Europe since March 2020

    Europe returned to relative normality in May 2020 and only used short localised lockdowns in regions where cases increased ever since.

    Ireland used lockdown as its primary control measure for Covid



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Today they were making out that Netherlands is going into lockdown when they are actually bringing in some Covid theatre like masks and certs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,618 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Hogan's is nearly all bar ! Never been able to get from one end to the other on a Saturday night. How are they managing ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,023 ✭✭✭brickster69


    There is no difference really just the timing of this wave. When everything was taking off it was the start of June so they got most of it out of the way in Summer and Autumn the countries who started later are now getting the main part of it going into the Winter which is a far worse time.

    If Ireland is looking to the UK then it would be better to pray that cases go down there, as it will give Ireland some light at the end of the tunnel. The last thing Ireland does not want to see is UK go really bad, because that is what will be coming for everyone else in a couple of months time.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



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