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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    €650 is fairly steep for a standard install but you will find many cheaper options without much hassle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Whilst there is decent money to made installing these Chargers, i don't think it's anything more than that.

    You've the cost of the units themselves then the additional stuff such as cabling, switches, RCD/MCB boxes, tools, vans, driving, etc, etc.

    Running a company ain't cheap either so you can't look at these costs vs sole traders.

    I don't begrudge it tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Hurley6969


    After a second opinion turns out I need earth rods (€150) and the tails upgrade as standard. No need for rewire or anything like that. Just incase anyone else is in same boat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Wrong thread..



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The issue is that the chargers themselves are over €500 and in some cases, €7-800. So the lads fitting them are only taking €400ish on top.


    they have to pay tax, travel, insurance etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,986 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I've always had this theory that if you get a shockingly high quote it's because the guy doesn't really want the job


    I've been quoted nearly €2k for installation only, pretty sure the guy just looked at the job and decided it was too much hassle

    I feel like some of the justification for the high price has gone out the window now that installations can be done from the meter box. Fair enough there's travel and equipment costs, but can't see that job needing more than a half days work

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    How does getting an Andersen work with the grant? Can you simply source it and get it installed ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 SlitDrip


    If you supplied the charger then why would you expect the installer to answer your questions ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,769 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Can only get a 7kw charge point in the house.

    Fairly restrictive stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,320 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    No problem. The grant doesnt really care about who/what/where the charge point comes from. They want to see a picture of your car, your installed charge point and a cert from your electrician to prove it was all done on your MPRN.


    Your electrician should have no issue with you sourcing the charge point yourself and they install it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,320 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Why is it restrictive?

    You can dream up scenarios where it might be deemed restrictive but in reality it isnt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,769 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Just very slow. Will take days to charge the car.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Days?

    How big do you think the batteries are?

    Even the largest current car batteries would take at most 12-14hrs to charge from completely empty at 7Kw/h.

    In real terms charging from the recommended ~20% minimum level, 8-10 hours or a standard overnight will be plenty to get a full charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭kesey


    incorrect.

    If your car has a 77kWh battery, then at 7kw/h it will take approx 11 hours to completely charge the car. Normally you would only charge from 20% to 80% level, i.e. 60% of your 77kWh so max it would take would be 60% of 77 = 6.6 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Sam W


    There's a difference between not knowing the answer and not replying anything & not calling back. For example, the electrician changed the max voltage on the charger to be a significantly lower value. I asked why and they didn't even bother typing 'I don't know'. I just turned it back onto the max allowed value after quite a lot of research and consultation with other electricians myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭Billydoc


    What’s the usual price for a zappi installation? Got quoted €1200 all in. I’ll get €600 back after. And what’s the best approach tethered it untethered? I’m thinking tethered as it would be handy to just stick it in the car but untethered would look neater. What’s your opinions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Sound a fair price, similar to what we paid about 2 years ago. Most quotes seem a bit higher lately.

    We far prefer tethered, much more convenient. With two EVs it is very simple to change over the very odd time we both need to charge the same night. But our unit is not on the front of the house where an untethered unit may look a little neater..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    So I've read back through a lot of this thread and I'm thinking of asking electrician to install an Andersen A2. The car dealership is offering some deal with Energia to get a free charger installed but our guy was the electrician who wired up the house originally and he does a nice clean Job. I see a few houses in the neighborhood have big manky isolation switches and appear to be wired back into the fuse board as opposed to the meter. What exactly is needed in terms of certs and what not from the lecky.

    Also, in terms of the SEAL grant, can I get the charger installed in advance of the car being delivered. They're talking March for delivery of the car but the charger itself has a long lead time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Does anyone have a std wiring diagram for the addition of an EV charger to a domestic setup being fed directly from the meter box?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭thunderbolt


    Apols if this has been answered already, or if it’s a stupid question, but what are the disadvantages of getting the smart meters installed? I got my EV charger installed two weeks ago and I’m due to get my meter upgraded to a smart meter (even though the house is five years old) in a few weeks. Won’t I simply keep my existing energy plan with the upgraded meter? I’ve seen people on here saying to steer well clear of the smart meters if you have an EV charger at home? Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Do a energy usage map.

    Chart what you use and who.

    You may find that a smart meter isn't so smart.

    Night meters are great for high mileage ev drivers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭thunderbolt


    Thanks Roger. I just thought it can help you understand energy usage and saves manual reads? Outside of that, what smarts does it have? I assume I can keep my existing plan i.e. I won’t be forced to change providers or plans?

    How do I do a usage map?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    I think you get forced into the smart plans.

    Out of interest, would upgrading the meter mean the main fuse is upgraded?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    The max voltage? What was it set to? Do you mean Amps? Perhaps they didn’t answer your question as it was silly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Sam W


    Yes I meant amps. Couldn’t edit my comment after I noticed it after 24 h.

    i don’t believe it was a silly question. I was simply trying to figure out why my charger charges my car more slowly than advertised. It could be due to a malfunction with the car, the charger, the circuit, or some settings that I don’t know of.

    And even if it is a silly question, it doesn’t hurt to politely put in a reply. Not everyone is an electrician. After all, they were so eager to answer anything before the money was taken.


    I actually did a Google search on them just now and found they were ‘permanently closed’ on Google, and some recent comments mentioned the same experience of non-replies after work is done, so they are well deserved.


    Anyway, I don’t have any appetite in arguing what’s silly or not. The only purpose of my original post was to say that there are very cheap and very expensive electricians out there. They have their pros and cons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    What speed does it charge at? What type car is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Having started to do some research myself on chargers, the chap probably just didn't know about load balancing in the charger function, did an energy usage audit and set the current at a level that would ensure it didn't trip the mains. It seems the most likely explanation since you sourced the charger. I wouldn't loose sleep over it, He could have said that to you though.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The main problem isn't the meter , it's the tariffs you'll get shifted to if you get one.

    If you currently have a contract in place for a specific price , then you'll likely stay at that until the year is up. But when you come for renewal you'll only be able to pick from their "smart" options , which are significantly more expensive than the standard ones.

    They defend this by claiming that the smart meter will reduce your usage and that part of the cost is covering the national installation program, but bottom line you'll be paying more for your electricity.

    Today , the best option for an EV owner is a standard day/night rate meter with one of the regular tariffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭thunderbolt


    Thanks Quin-Dub. I think I'll postpone the installation and try and get another year or two out of normal tariffs. Energia told me that they can't force you into a smart tariff but once you opt-in, you cannot opt out. I imagine that as time goes on, there will be less good value on the normal tariffs as the energy providers will want everyone on smart tariffs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    I'm also trying to decide what package is the best for charging an EV. I noticed that a lot of companies are advertising 100% green electricity, but what does this really mean? As I understand it, on the retail side of the energy market, there is no way to determine where your electricity comes from regardless of how your provider generates electricity, it's not like homes on 100% green electricity packages have power outages when it isn't windy, it all seems a little muddled in terms of marketing.



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