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Climate Bolloxolgy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    I think a lot of what we see today is large businesses have gotten to a point where they are too big to really innovate or drive new change.

    So instead they are spending large sums of money to force red tape that makes it too difficult for new competitors to arise.

    All under the guise of making the world a better place when in reality it is about securing corporate profits at the expense of the common person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Kissenger said control oil and you control nations, control food and you control people. Except its panning out that its not governments but private bodies will end up controlling food



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    India at less than half of its usual nitrogen fertilizer levels.


    World grain levels at high levels but the hidden statistic there is that China has been building a reserve for years now while the rest of the world is now at very low levels.

    It doesn't take much to "upset that Apple tart."

    Food will be a news item globally yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    That happens Yosemite, but I don't think to the scale your suggesting, and it doesn't mean we have zero innovative as a result. The traditional banking system has dominated for the last 200yrs or so, however Blockchain is going to rapidly decentralise all that across the next 10yrs. Many 3rd world counties have leapfrog technologies in any case, so likes of fixedline broadband and a normal bank account will never exist, instead your 1st banking interaction often is using an app on your phone that works off 3g.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Their is a train of thought that a rapid increase in world temp could actually lead to cooling due to changes in the gulf stream etc.

    Post edited by Mooooo on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    I actually think it's happening on a much bigger scale than my post says. Renewables and the green economy are the only potential growth sector open to the elite to substantially increase their wealth further.

    Otherwise it's watch their wealth come under ever increasing pressure for the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    it would be interesting to know the people who are pushing this behind the scenes in Ireland too. a few civil servants? brown envelopes? it certainly creates an environmental bad smell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭TXPTGR1


    What’s the actual specifics of “reducing the national herd” it’s sounds like they’re going to need some sort of cow holocaust to achieve the reduction laid out- don’t think the veggies will be too happy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    They don't actually care about those deaths as its getting them to their objectives!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,492 ✭✭✭✭wrangler



    I wouldn't think they'd be that industrious, they're insulated from the heaves of the economy, they're probably not even aware of the damage they're going to cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,898 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    AFAIK it is and highlights how naturally variable the climate is eg. Folk should read up at what the weather threw at this island in years like 1740,1816,1879 etc. plus the dark ages were primarily caused by sever climate disruption



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Cattlepen


    When is the last time you were hungry in a war torn country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Cattlepen


    24 years ago in NYC it was 19 degrees in the middle of November



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Cattlepen


    Having just read this whole thread there seems to be a lack of moderate views. It’s either of two extremes. The green agenda seems to have a superiority complex when the address farmers concerns and a lot of the farming side. Want no compromise and seem terrified that some changes might be needed.

    Greens, we need food. Dreamy notions won’t feed populations. Food production, no matter how well refined, is still a basic business. We were born with canine teeth to eat flesh.

    farmers, we use too much fertiliser and sprays. We see the neighbours shaking a bit out and we panic and think we’re behind. We spray every wed n briar just because.

    we need middle ground. Every negotiation has to have compromises



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,492 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    We do have the most sustainable food prodution in the world, every ton we're stopped from producing will be produced in a country where emissions are greater . food will have to be produced



  • Posts: 61 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is there a reputable source that breaks down our carbon emissions by source?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭alps




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,612 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    accurate enough, it's showing natural swings of plus or minus about 1 degree over the course of hundreds of years, what we're dealing with now could be a rise of more than 2 degrees over maybe 50 years, driven by the amount of CO2 (and methane) we're pumping into the atmosphere

    https://xkcd.com/1732/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,432 ✭✭✭endainoz




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    My tuppence worth. 


    Methane and livestock didn’t cause this mess..burning fossil fuels did. It’s accepted that the quickest and most profound fix is to cut methane emissions. That’s fair enough. However if Apple, Amazon, Google etc had the same quick solution, you’d pay well for it..in fact you’d have to pay through the nose for it! Therefore if they want to cut the herd, then compensation in the order of CPO should be in line. 

    There’s an element of bullying about the way Gov, NGOs etc expect farmers to shoulder the brunt of the solution, without any recourse to mahoooosive compensation. That needs to change fast before any climate bill gets written into law. Time is now for the IFA to get going and earn their €€€.

    Edit.

    I posted this on another forum lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 raeee


    With the history of famine and everything in this country, you'd think people would be some way appreciative of the food on their table. Blaming others is a great way of deflecting blame from yourself.

    In addition, this is my website, www.oilpressstore.com. It sells oil press. you will get the order of the lowest price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    People in this country have no connection to the famine. Sure aren't they wasting food goodo left right and centre. You can walk into any shop and be bamboozled with food and processed garbage from all corners of the world for a pittance. Until there is a value placed on food the way there is value placed on your broadband subscription, or your phone, or your €300 jeans with holes in it everywhere then getting people to change their ways regarding food is not going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Notice the vegans have moved from almond and soya milk to oat milk now ( transport around the world not so green !) How many acres would you need for a glass of milk ?. ( whats left would be a good cattle feed so silver lining and all that). Saw someone asked on tv about reducing irish cattle herd being replaced by increases elsewhere saying " oh, we'll deal with that with trade deals" (sounded like Trump at his best) Reckon life will go on as normal after a while with no objections to the like of fracking if it interferes with standard of living. Problem with world population now is people in poorer countries want our standard of living and hard to blame them



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Going back to yer man from the epa on matt Cooper.he concluded that emissions dropped by 3.4 %due to covid.can you imagine how miserable life would have to be to make any serious dent in emissions if the misery of the last 18 months only resulted in 3.4 %



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I'm surprised that the reduction was so little considering that air travel was more or less none existent. Most office workers/teachers etc were confined to working from home so I assume it maybe due to the extra requirement for electricity generation/data centers. I remember during the height of the lockdown driving on the M3/N3 with a load of cattle (essential service) and I counted 4 cars and 30 odd 40' trucks.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Good point about the air travel, apparently it's not counted at all because it's hard to allocate it to a particular country.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    we need middle ground. Every negotiation has to have compromises.

    Then stop putting it squarely on the Greens shoulders to identify and advocate for solutions. FG signed Ireland up to the Paris Agreement, FF, supported them doing so. Everyone in a position of power seems to acknowledge the need for action. Only one group on the fringe of power is advocated for doing something.

    It's an abdication of responsibility for any one else who sees a problem but then turns towards the Greens to come up with a solution and to then lambast them for it not being pain free or an immediate fix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    https://youtu.be/tJWZJ1Lb04A

    Not much mention of methane emissions in live stock , but briefly mentions nitrous oxides which isn't really being talked about much yet

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Why don't they allocate it to the country that the planes diesel up in?



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