Climate Bolloxolgy.

I'm not suggesting people should lie back and take whatever comes their way, but to suggest that this is happening without discussion is a bit disingenuous, we have had years of active discussion on the topic and the FG led, FF supporting government signed Ireland up to the Paris Agreement and then dragged their feet in a deplorable fashion with respect to advocating for anything meaningful to bring about the reductions.

And to describe Augustenberg as a zealot is also being disingenuous, she is much more appropriately placed to comment on the topic than most, and certainly the Healy-Raes given her training as an environmental scientist.

I come from a farming background, and have no wish to demonise farming excessively or hold them solely responsible for emission reductions. As I said in an earlier post, I believe societies focus is out of whack in a serious way in terms of sustainability and I think change is needed in many areas so I don't think it should be all down to agriculture but neither that agriculture should be absolved from having to make any changes.

Agree with everything you said there and just to add it seems to me that it's a follow on from the vegan dust up that was national news for a few months

The top 10 most polluting countries according to the IPCC:

1. Qatar — 37.05 per capita
2. Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
3. Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
4. Canada — 16.85 per capita
5. United States — 15.74 per capita
6. Germany — 9.7 per capita
7. China — 7.72 per capita
8. Spain — 6.09 per capita
9. France — 5.02 per capita
10. Thailand — 4.05 per capita

I am pretty sure the best way to tackle pollution and environmental damage would be to ban all products from high polluting countries and buy the more expensive visions from more cleaner sources where available but I don't think government have the strength to move towards a more direct approach and lose face internationally. We probably also need to move away from single House's all together and only build apartment blocks near towns and cities. I would personally think these two big changes would get us where we need to be faster than the current approaches even though I don't like them.

Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. Should be in here.

I was having a conversation with a nephew (24) and his girlfriend last night about climate change.

They had some interesting things to say about how they are saving the climate.

They only go abroad twice a year.

They eat organic food and only have meat twice a week at most.

They put everything in the recycle bins.

They dont have a car.

They both have eco friendly water bottles and reusable coffee cups.

Now all of my brothers and sisters, my parents and myself have always been good at being environmentally friendly so they were very proud telling me this.

Oh they thought they were great and had saved the planet from us oldies.

I pointed out to them to be careful what they wish for too, because in a few years most of the people paying all this extra tax will be retired and they will be the ones paying the tax for it then. One of them isnt working and the other is paying very little tax.

What I didnt point out to them but noted myself were these things.

They live with my sister (his mother). She buys the meat (and all the other organic food) and its her decision to only give them meat twice a week, not theirs. THey eat her out of house and home anyway.

They dont have a car but my brother in law had dropped them up to the pub and collected them to bring them home after (thats every time they go to the pub). He drops him in to work too and collects him. And drops her into the the town when she is going in, which by my BILs complaints is almost every day.

They have only gone abroad twice - this year. Every other year they are off on city breaks way more than that.

They showed me their eco coffee cups, but they were both drinking bottled beer while they proudly showed me the cups.

Their mother is the one who cleans up after them and sorts their stuff for the bins.

They have a pc and a playstation in their room and are playing fortnight every time im in the house. I hope they realize they will have to go once their green conscience realizes.

Their eco footprints were way higher than mine. They werent actually trying, they were just living in the house of someone who was trying.

But yet they were comp[laining that others werent doing enough and were killing the planet.

Not quite.

The Eu was originally set up as the European coal and steel community.

Wars are often about energy resources.

But yes, people don’t eat coal.

The narrative is spun of grassland emitting Co2 in Ireland by all (the media savy complainers) to put farmers on the backfoot to then look into where they got their figures for grassland emitting Co2. Then when you drill down into it's only the high carbon peat soils which makes 10% of that grassland that they say emits Co2. That then forces you (mineral soil grassland farmers) not them to say it's the peat soil is the problem.

Note they have never mentioned tilled ground in Ireland emitting Co2. They can't because that would harm the narrative of cows and grassland and dilute the waters for the plant based movement.

It seems the plan is their not to plant peat soil with trees but to rewild (get that stock off), rewet those areas with or without the farmers permission.

Muirrean OConnell said this morning on Breakfast telly '' There's not too many cattle, but there's too many people'' fair point.

We've overloaded the planet and our emissions are killing it,

We breed like rabbits, but nature can control rabbits, but we're too well educated in health and medicine to let nature work

Irish farmers just need to start growing high quality low cost coffee beans and the Greens would leave them alone 😄



wait until the cost of everyday essentials goes through the roof, they wont be able to afford the luxuries

And they're discussing taking food producers out of business, you couldn't make it up. Starving the people would be one way of reducing the population alright.

Poor fertiliser supply will be the kick off of reducing food availability. Food security worries has to be just round the corner now.

Someone, I think it was @Danzy said in another thread that countries will have to safeguard strategic interests going forward.

Surely we wouldn't be dumb enough to sacrifice food production for foreign holidays and importation of tat? Common sense will have to prevail at some stage.

a few yrs ago a government reducing the amount of electrical power available to its voters in a Western democracy would have been laughable. This crowd are so detached from reality. they can make up all the stats and manipulate them all they want but ballot box still in use thankfully. silent rural tds watch out!

It's interesting that throughout the whole covid lockdowns, "wash your hands" , "wear masks", " 25% public transport capacity" etc , the whole climate change debate was effectively shut down. Tackling covid was diametrically opposed to the green agenda because everything had to be plastic and throw away and public transport was effectively closed. No Greta thurnberg either throughout

Then as soon as the majority are vaccinated and society has opened up the whole "climate change" stuff is ramped up again and the hysteria begins again. If anything should this not show that there is an awful lot of orchestration going on between the politicians, the media and the social media giant's. There is something not natural about it like people are being hoodwinked

They said in the 60s when we were hitting 3billion people that we'd never ever be able to feed that amount, let alone 4 or 5 billion, however the world as a whole has been eliminating extreme poverty (so something like under 2dollers a day), from 70% of the world population in the 50s to about 9% today, I'm certainly going to be alot more optimistic that the standard of living will continue to improve on the whole for the world population moving forwards. Yes we are going to have our huge hurdles, climate change and changing agriculture are 2 massive ones, however the main thing is the rate of technology improve keeps going at the rate it has been for the last 70yrs, or what I'd be more optimistic of, it will increase across the next 20yrs as things like AI, smart agriculture/smart sensors, gene editing, proper renewable energies (nuclear fusion) all come on board bigger and better, will we see our lives changed as radically as they have been with how widespread the internet has changed our lives the last 20yrs?