Heavyweight Boxing

Right I looked again and again. The knee did dip alright but I still think he should’ve had the chance to fight on he wanted to and had the hands up. He always maintained he was fit to continue himself even if arrogance had a part to play there.

this was before manny trained him too and as the 90s wore on he became harder and harder to beat.

in the rematch I think mccaul could’ve caused him problems had he fought him

He turned up all over the place against Rachman he wasn’t at all focussed. If he were fighting a peak Tyson then he would be razor sharp. The McCaul I night Tyson would have beaten but the Rachman II fight I really don’t think so. That jab was incredible maybe the best there has ever been. The big right cross. If Tyson has to eat 2 or 3 of those then even he with this superchin isn’t going to stay up. He was a far harder hitter than Holyfield too.

I do like how you have dissected the whole point though and I was a bit dismissive of it earlier, I’ll climb down from that. I’d be screaming for Tyson but I’d expect Lewis. If they fought a trilogy then I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a one each and decider going to points. The Tyson KO would have been incredible.

I’d say I’m about 65-35 on it. I can’t stand Lewis as I take great pains to express but he always found a way to spoil things for me. I’ll never forget two live fights I saw on tv - McCaul II (reminded me of Aidan O’Shea in an All Ireland Final) I was distraught. I remember my dad saying before the fight it just depends on what frame of mind McCaul is in. I, a child, said surely he will be in a good frame of mind for this fight. My dad said you just wouldn’t know that. Then the second round happened and then the rest. What a mess. That and the first Rachman fight, haha I was in jubilant form that night.

BAck to the point at hand. Lewis would do very well to keep Tyson off him. The body attack would be killer. It took a good (not great) Lewis 8 rounds to beat a finished Tyson - lots in there for your point. But Lewis fought plenty of good fighters who weren’t able to get that ko shot in. He only lost twice and avenged both. We aren’t as far apart on this as it seemed a couple of days ago haha

Hmm had another look through Lewis’ cv. I remember him commentating on the Rachman Wlad fight (insufferably arrogant) and he talked about his vs Wlad’s power with the other commentator. He reckoned that he had concussive one punch power whereas Wlad wore down opponents. I’m struggling to remember many fights where we saw this one punch clean out. What comes to mind is Golota, Rachman, Botha, Grant… Add away. Grant did get up alright and I think got hit well after the bell.

That said the man hit very, very hard. Could Tyson take that kind of power well into the fight?

Early 90s I think Tyson is a clear winner and favourite. Late 90s Lewis is a tough proposition for even Tyson’s best night.

My God. I’ve just finished the last 15 mins of it. He sounded like he was drunk, high or concussed. Incredible amount of nonsense.

Funny a couple of cousins of mine and me went to the Whyte Rivas fight and he was saying that way back then. He keeps going back to it. He called Usyk to win and maybe even stop him and he reckons Whyte will get another go at him and take him, just hoping that it happens for a belt. He likes Whyte but I thought those were well put together arguments.

This shiit about everyone knows what I’m about I fight anyone. He hasn’t really been given an opportunity to do that because the division was missing elite opposition with Fury out but he priced himself out of the Wilder fight for all the belts. He fought turkeys like Takam and Pulev (at this stage) and wanted to fight Millar. He had no fighting spirit in his two losses. Ruiz ripped him apart and he didn’t have the grit to hang in there. In the rematch he ran and even though I believed that should be his tactic he still didn’t want to fight. He was aided that Ruiz turned up fulla jelly. That interview was so unconvincing. Full of contradiction. Rob will likely be kept around for the look of it but he will have a different trainer.