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Climate Bolloxolgy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries


    Retraining to what end a lot of the jobs you are talking about will have to go if climate change is to be successful do people actually realise how Spartan the whole human race would have to become to have any hope of not damaging the atmosphere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    So now you're on their side?......Or did you just scour google to refute my point?

    I also mentioned "Farming"...which has nothing to do with what you 'discovered'

    Is this a legitimate argument to climate change you thing farming should use to defend our role .......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries


    These are the same lovely bunch of lads that are probably committing the worst case of genocide since Hitler and Stalin were in action ( it's alleged cos obviously they are saying nothing to see here just big schools ) and you believe they are going to be carbon neutral



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    China , like most places ,will do what suits china ... They're worried about climate change .. and are aware that they're 1.5 billion people and the second biggest economy in the world ... And there's often a disconnect between Chinese central ploicy and their regional politics

    Oh and I'm not an advocate for Chinese government or their repressive politics -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    That reminds me of a saying I once heard, "there was a time when they were backward and ignorant, now they are ignorant and forward"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    There's a book called the dying of money. Worth a read, lots to consider about our current situation.

    The world is a bigger and much more complicated place compared to when it was written but it has largely just resulted in a bigger and more complicated bubble to pop. Lots of the observations on inflationary monetary policy are at the root of what we see around us today, whether that's big tech that doesn't actually turn a profit or add value, or else it's the whole climate change agenda which will only strip real value from the economy and make everyone (except the elites) poorer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    The climate has changed before, at one time this island was covered in ice. Who's to say that it wasn't 15°c on 26th October 1221?

    Capitalist economics has us where we are. Its all about growth. This growth has lead to consumerism spiralling out of all control. If we stripped away all the needless stuff that we all have in our lives we could solve this in a short time.

    Instead, we are In the disingenuous position of trying to scapegoat agriculture. The capitalists know that we are going to have to cut back on the crap that they are selling us at present. They know that we have to eat so they are thinking that they will produce our food in factories and save us from ourselves.

    This is where the money is going to be made, it all boils down to money. The noise from vegans, eco warriors and do gooders like Mary Robinson is just noise to drown out the real conversation that needs to be had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    Ciaran Fitzgerald always write a well constructed opinion piece on agri land. and we know from his time in the ima he's well able to bat for his team.

    Rte would be afraid to ask him on air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Just in relation to the climate changing before bit. That is true, but the chart below is the reality.

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    There's no question but that human 'presence' on the planet is having a significant impact.

    That being said, I largely agree with the rest of your post. Our focus on growth within every sector literally drives the economy which drives the energy use.

    When you start thinking about changing that mindset and the likely consequence of dropping sales figures, profit margins and share price and the impact on that in terms of employment, business and the economy itself, then it becomes spiral of negativity until a new normal is realised.

    But, that probably is what is needed (in conjunction with minimising the use of non-sustainable resources and reducing the use of significantly contributory factors where possible) and just how realistic is this to happen outside of everyone's attention being taken by some catastrophic event such as another World War for example? The financial crash of 08 should have been an opportunity to reign in the focus on growth/profit or the pandemic which is ongoing but in both cases the primary focus of many in charge was to get back to the way things have been operating ASAP.

    We've seen how a large sector of society worldwide is willing to take the chance that it will be others who are affected most in the event of the most serious pandemic in 100 years so how do we move any way towards a collective push to do what is best for us a society in the long run above what is best for those alive and in control right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    How do you deal with this mindset for example?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Gillespy



    It's heartening to see all the climate ads from the world's biggest companies on television all the time now. My favourite is the snotty children one saying to do more sustainable farming, that it's a thing now. That's Amazon I think. Beats ads from bookmakers I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Logistic firms seem to have a massive impact globally...its all a little ironic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


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    Doing my bit for Global warming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭n1st


    If the climate change continues then it doesn't really matter what the root cause is, we won't bw farming in Ireland and neither will any of our descendents.


    All we can do is try to slow it four grandchildrens sake and while we're at it no harm in cleaning up our waters and giving the wildlife that was here long before we came a chance.

    Farming was never about grass and feeding as many animals as possible. That is the true lie that has been taught to farmers in Ireland over the past 40 yrs.


    Who has benefitted from commercial farming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Climate change won't affect me and probably the regulations won't either, but it's grossly unfair the way the farmers are made the bogey men in all this.

    The youth are driving this big time but instead of doing as they say we should do as they do, they want change but are showing no signs of wanting TO change . I see a schoolbus stopping near here and no one getting on and then the parents then driving out in the SUV an hour later...... and that's just one example.

    So I'll be carrying on as usual, burning trees in my stove



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    alot of them are hood at flying all over the globe as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Well that's my thoughts on it too. Yes I believe Global warming is happening. But no it all rolls back to the way people live. So I couldn't give a fiddlers no more than them fookers with there oversized houses, big cars and foreign holidays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If we are looking for bogey men, which is not hugely productive, it certainly isn't those under the age of 18. They are children, and it is unfair to ask them to suggest appropriate solutions or lead by example. We have to stop blaming them for the faults of the world and society in which they live.

    They are behaving largely based on the instruction and example being given to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    If I heard Eamon ryan right this morning he said we shouldn't be criticising individuals, but I think if 4m individuals changed their ways it'd make abig difference. Anton savage said this morning there was four lanes of traffic on the M50 this morning, mostly one to a car, at 6.30 and it be like that for hours..

    Car parking for the luas is now so expensive that it's cheaper to drive into the city,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries


    We are behind f all its proven Even intensive agriculture here is miles better than most if not all countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Yes. Good point . I see young people being driven to schools across a small town in SUVs. Why can’t they cycle or even use scooters. Although I note that electrically charged scooters now require a licence / insurance etc and can be seized in the absence of same . So much for joined up thinking !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    alright then, Their parents, 30 - 40 year olds that are worrying about the future or lack of it that their children face, I don't see much cutbacks there.

    Why change anything if everyone isn't buying into it, The traffic on the road, the planes in the sky(which I believe aren't going to be forced to reduce) industry and all the other countries that are going to ignore the rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    They should have insurance, we can't have people getting injured by scooters and no hope of Compo.

    Getting the Garda to enforce it would be another job. but yes, anyone putting €100 fuel/week into a car, is contributing to climate change too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Why change anything if everyone isn't buying into it

    Few societal level changes happened immediately or with consensus. In our life times, we have seen national votes on referenda topics flip from being voted against to being voted for (Divorce and Abortion).

    The change in votes came as consequence of advocacy for something and a public conversation on the topic.



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    If the world ran out of oil tomorrow or it became way to expensive. What will vegetarians do.

    Because nearly everything they eat is imported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    As regards the insurance requirement for scooters- if we keep thinking the same way as heretofore nothing will change . Why allow the insurance industry to build up another mini industry ? We need to think differently in terms of transport . Another example is the over zealous nature of the NCT which results in the scrapping of cars that would have been regarded as fine ten years ago .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries


    True and a bug bear of mine perfect cars with very little wrong scrapped

    Also the electric car thing is a complete sham imo if the costs to the environment from start to finish of an electric car was made up I reckon most small one litre cars are way more efficient



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭techman1


    but this hasn't been voted on it is being imposed, who said that the reduction had to be 50% why is that not even open for discussion.

    Even the media are now questioning whether these targets can now be delivered when the reality of it is finally dawning. This evening on newstalk the environmental zealot Karla Agustenberg when questioned about the practicalities of such severe reductions and whether people will take it said , its now a legal requirement and binding. In other words these are the laws you cannot get out of it, we are in power now and you will do as we say, the whole tone is very menacing actually.

    When these targets were signed into law last year, there was virtually no opposition, Sinn Fein were as quite as a mouse, the only real opposition actually came from the Healy Raes who were very vociferous on the whole thing



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