Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

As have a lot of countries e.g. Scandanavian countries are very much open and have nothing like the case numbers we have. Is our extensive testing regime finding all these cases that are not being tested for in other countries?

Iceland case rates increased 41% in the last week

Denmark case rates increased 23% in the last week

Norway case rates increased 6% in the last week

Sweden is the outlier here (as they have been all through the pandemic) case rates fell 7% in the last week

0:24 "get through this winter without having to impose restrictions; and get through every winter without restrictions"

Are they now an option every winter?!

90 in ICU and we aren't even in Nov.

This is only going one way unfortunately.

Donnelly said we could get to 150 ICU. We will be at that in a few weeks by the looks of things.

Weekly change on it's own is fairly meaningless without looking at the underlying incidence rate. Ireland is a fair bit ahead in that front despite having 92%+ of adults fully vaxxed.

That report is uncomfortable reading for sure, but I suspect an investigation into our own handling of residential care elderly would be similar. Didn’t we move admitted patients back to nursing homes untested?

The problem from the report seems to be with triaging elderly in residential homes for hospital admission (not specifically ICU), rather than elderly in the community. Again, awful to contemplate but how different are things here?

Perhaps it is a low number of elderly admitted to ICU but perhaps it isn’t and is higher than ours, but we have no way to know or to compare the age of patients in ICU here. Their median age is 63, with a mean age of 60. What’s ours?

From their government, they seem to have had a high number in ICU with high admittance numbers, although yes not reaching capacity (large surge capacity?).

The data on HSPC or Geohive gives no breakdown on age of ICU patients, or breakdown by gender, or by underlying health conditions, which is all available for Swedish ICU in the link in my earlier post. Until that data for Ireland is available it’s surely a sweeping statement to contend that currently (initial pandemic response aside) you will be admitted more readily to an Irish ICU bed if you are elderly than to a Swedish ICU bed.

Kingston Mills has said that it looks like the efficiency of the double Vax falls off for most people after 6 months. looks like boosters will be on the cards for Christmas. It was hoped that it would give strong protection 12 months. Delta may have messed up the plan on the other hand it may spread through the population and inoculate us all?

Have they stopped giving the vaccinated/unvaccinated percentage breakdown.

Haven't seen any for the last day or two.

I think the vaccine prevents serious sickness and disease and reduces hospitalisations with covid. It doesn't stop someone from contracting the virus.

I was reading another forum and peoples experiences with covid after vaccinations is very mixed. Some people have 0 symptoms, other people have a cold and others are coming down ill with flu. The most worrying read is people coming down with a flu type of sickness with covid that goes on for 3 to 4 weeks.

I would like to hear from Irish GPs and what they are seeing in their patients after vaccinations? If a flu type of illness happens for people after vaccinations, I think some mitigation measures will be needed.

It was a thought of mine, she was offered a late cancellation around May time but wasn't double-vaccinated at the time so refused to go. RTE etc have a lot to answer for because their fearmongering have effected her quite a bit. I'm going to Scotland this weekend and she's terrified I'll bring it back.

No they don’t, with respect. I’ve seen that data and it gives no data on median age for cumulative admissions to ICU. In fact most of the weeks, should you look, have a space where the ICU break down by age should be.

And no ICU age break down available before September 21.

Could you point to ICU break-down by age in that summary?

it’s just an assumption that 65% elderly hospitalised translates to a median of 65 in ICU. One doesn’t follow the other. So we know according to Swedish official figures that their median ICU admission was 63 - we either disbelieve those figures or accept they aren’t that far away from our own.

Honestly ‘sheer amount of elderly treated in ICU’ ? Where is that from? It’s hardly from personal observation of every ICU unit? So until you can provide some actual data on elderly treated in ICU in Ireland that shows we treated more elderly in ICU, population adjusted, than elderly treated in ICU in Sweden you can understand how judgement should be deferred?