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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Only way is wands, which is the more effect on businesses that require on lazy people parking by the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,499 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I did say, put in some lane dividers.

    Bollards FTW!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    The only effective separation would leave less parking/ access than the one way. Unless the intention is for it to be more ineffective infrastructure that doesn't make it safe for cyclists and allows people to ignore and park as they did before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Amazing to read the twitter comments. The problem in this case must be the bollards. Always is something other than just plain crap and careless driving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    If you use Belmont Avenue at all, you might want to respond to this.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Polar wizard adventure


    Belmont Avenue has always been a nightmare for cycling. It's terribly narrow and jammed full of impatient rat runners throughout the day. 

    Option 2 will create a small Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) connecting Milltown/Ranelagh and Donnybrook/Ballsbridge (via the Dodder Path). 

    Whilst a modest proposal, I think each of these small initiatives deserves strong support from those interested in progressive transport policy. It is this sort of incremental improvement that will ultimately change how we move through Dublin. 

    In the longer term this LTN could also form the start of the South Dublin Quiet Way as was originally proposed by Paddy Smyth.   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, Belmont Ave. is pretty bad, but after a few years I finally switched from Marlborough Road to Belmont Avenue. At least it's narrow enough that you can stop people close-passing you going downhill, where your speed also should be reasonable for a narrow road through a residential street. Though, of course, there's a risk someone following you will go bananas.at being delayed by about ten seconds, before they meet a car coming uphill, have to pull in and start playing car twister so they can pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, definitely could happen. On balance, though, being knocked off by one of the stream of close-passing motorists misjudging the pass or swinging hard left when they suddenly notice a car coming the other way is more likely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    I used to cycle commute from DL to the Curragh 2-3 times a week, was grand. Used to come home the Rock Road and through Deansgrange, which I always found the worst part of the commute. I always ended up on the path, which is bad. I no longer cycle due to chronic injury, so I'm forced to use the car.

    My barber is in Deansgrange and I regularly shop in the butcher, Super Value etc.

    While I know cycle infrastructure is needed, the bollards on Kill Lane already reduced the frequency that I shop there now.

    If the 1 way system goes ahead, I just won't bother going there at all or I'd be forced drive through St. Fintans which will inevitably be congested.

    I can see the positives but for me, its a negative.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Not planned infrastructure but infrastructure that needs considerable reworking...




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is that out around templeogue? there was a woman killed on her bike on one of the roundabouts there a few years ago.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I think it is Templeville Rd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭buffalo


    The video is the eastern end of Templeville Road, that death was at the western end IIRC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,499 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Good old DMURS, creates lethal hazards by a conflict of priorities.

    Several roundabouts in the DLR area were reverted back to their previous unmarked traffic lanes because of massive local pushback over the danger it created.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Alias G


    The danger was created by inattentive motorists inability to pay attention to signage and markings and yield to priority. Funnily enough, the very same roundabout designs operate seamlessly in other countries. What is it about irish motorists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,499 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    But they don't. The 'turbo roundabout' is a proven design, but thats not whats on Wellington Lane, thats a DMURS Irish abomination.

    Below 1 is a turbo roundabout, 2 is a DMURS roundabout in Ireland. The disadvantage it puts cyclists at is obvious. Its forces them to try and orbit the roundabout on the outside lane of it, while expecting cars to yield to them from the left. You cannot entirely blame drivers for a totally counterintuitive design that goes against every rule they've ever learned. Its a disgrace.

    roundabout-netherlands_bike_lane.jpg Screenshot_20211022-183740~2.png




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I can't believe I agree with Larbre about something... it's a **** design that creates conflict and endangers cyclists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,499 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes you're correct, but consider this.

    For a lorry, the nearside quarter is a blindspot from much farther than you'd expect. And, the lorry driver wouldn't in a million years have been expecting a cyclist to be heading for a far-side exit while outside of him.

    Yes, there is careless driving on the part of the truck, but the design of the roundabout placed our man in a more vulnerable position in the first in place.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I've no idea whether the cyclist was signalling and don't wish to assume they weren't but had it been me on that roundabout, my arm would have been obviously outstretched to indicate my intentions. Now that doesn't stop a prick driver barging through which may have been the case here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    He says in his subtitles that he signalled, and you can just about see him move his right hand.

    Piss poor driving and piss poor infrastructure aren’t mutually exclusive. He was also dumped out onto the roundabout from the off road cycle track right at the exit, one exit earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭ARX


    The lower design is not allowed in Germany, as it is known to be dangerous:

    "Cycle lanes at the peripheral margin of the circle are not allowed since they have proven to be very dangerous to cyclists".

    https://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/verkehrswesen/download/literatur/Brilon_roundabouts_2011_05_29_cit.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,499 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Indeed. However in Ireland, its mandated as best design practice. How wonderful.

    I know ye are sick of me as a broken record on this stuff, but after it all, I DO cycle regularly, my family does too and I care more than anything about our safety. What I hate about how infrastructure for cycling is developed in this country, is how inconsistent the designs are, how dangerous much of that design is (including drainage camber, manhole covers, upright obstacles etc) and how lacking in ambition the contiguous and segregated routes are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭ARX


    It's not just cycle infrastructure. Irish transport infrastructure is pervaded by a ah-f##k-it-that'll-do-I-don't-care ethos.

    For example, this sign near Kilcock where the names of two significant towns are misspelled: https://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/10/25/meanwhile-outside-kilcock-co-kildare/ (I haven't been that way for a few years, it may have been replaced, but it was there for many years).

    Or this one in Clonsilla where they spelled 'Mulhuddart' as 'Muldhuddart':

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3827655,-6.4049631,3a,15y,53.06h,92.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSTEODdWlUpE9F2Oe3xW-kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Mulhuddart is a large suburb, it's not some backwater that nobody's ever heard of.

    There is no excuse for this. It can't be blamed on the large amount of road we have per head of population, or the climate, or the Catholic church, or the British.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Has anyone noticed the roadworks on the Grange Road, Rathfarnham? They have been going on since about May/June and virtually no progress is being made over the last 2 months. The general idea is to improve things for cyclists. However on one place the footpath has been widened and the existing cycle lane narrowed (near Loreto Beaufort School). A deliberate creation of a cyclist killing-zone in my opinion. As part of the same project there is a half-completed attempt to divert a cycle lane inside a new traffic island at which there will be a bus stop. I can't see many cyclists making the appropriate sharp diversion inside the island.

    Further up Grange Road, beyond the entrance to St Enda's SDCC a few years ago widened the footpaths on both sides of the road, just after the existing cycle lanes ended. They could have easily accommodated a cycle lane in the Southbound (uphill) direction, but for some reason created a danger to cyclists instead.

    I'm generally no fan of the more militant cyclists, but the sheer incompetence of SDCC's road engineers is really annoying. The same people have also produced a truly wonderful traffic-jam-creating roundabout in the Knocklyon area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Yes works on the Grange road have been painfully slow, not sure what is holding them up.


    BTW the only people who are creating traffic jams in Knocklyon are the ones in their cars 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I know you are joking a little, but the Knocklyon roundabout is a jam-creator, (a) because it has been narrowed to only one lane and (b) because the entrances and exits now require very sharp turns which slow everything down (more than is necessary for safety in my opinion). Moreover this is on a road giving access to the M50.

    There is nothing more wasteful or carbon-emitting than a queue of jammed cars waiting to negotiate an artificially contrived bottleneck. All of this was created in the name of some enhanced cycleway, and I see very few cyclists in the area.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All of this was created in the name of some enhanced cycleway, and I see very few cyclists in the area.

    Thats because you're stuck in traffic and they are cycling past 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭buffalo


    What's more wasteful and carbon-emitting is a row of cars moving without a bottleneck, because there'll be more of them due to induced demand.

    You know what's not wasteful or carbon-emitting? Users of an enhanced cycleway! 😀

    Yours, an apparently militant cyclist.



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