Heavyweight Boxing

Not sure what that means about it being Mike's fault.....whatever age he was, in 2002 vs Lewis he was clearly shot to bits.....

Why are you asking me what year was prime Mike?

You know the year(s) I gave, and what most educated boxing fans would give

What year(s) would you say were when Tyson was at his best, or really close to it?

All boxers have prime ages/years etc.....Tyson is no different.

I always knew Tyson would KO Spinks. Most picked him to. Where did I say that I thought he was a serious heavyweight?

Fact is that he was the lineal champion, as he beat Holmes twice. So let's not pretend he was a nobody.

My Spinks point was clear, if you read it. Holmes lost to Spinks twice, and you won't hear too much criticism, yet Tyson pulverizes Spinks in 90 seconds and it gets dismissed as Spinks being too small. Despite being 6-7 lbs lighter than Mike...

I am not arguing Spinks as a great HW. I am simply pointing out the bias/logic that people use to harshly assess and criticize Tyson's opposition

Again, where did I say it was Tyson's best win?

And, why are you asking me for Mike's prime, again?!

I already said what I believe to be his prime...it is the years 1986-1988/1989....any one these calendar years I think he was at his best.

Having to pick one year where Tsyon looked to me to at his fighting best? 1988.....1987 a close second.

You have not said what you believe to be his prime year(s) where he was at his fighting best...

So then you'd have Fury and Marciano as a draw?

Also it's very fair to judge pre Buster Douglas Tyson with Fury. Mike had more fights at that time than Fury has in his career to date.

Another boxing thread ruined by talking about Mike Tyson mystical match ups.

Lads, you all follow boxing. When you hear or read the words prime, peak and Tyson in one sentence do you not think it would be better to just leave it?

It's been going on years everywhere on the internet.

He looked unbeatable for a few years, he went off the rails and it was a slow end after that.

Can we leave it at that?

It's a chat forum, everyone is entitled to chat about what they like once it's relevant to the thread. Everyone is entitled to give their opinion as well and we know yours now.

Thats my point its all absurd and a pointless exercise

Ahh now come on

Number of fights doesnt do justice here

15 in Tyson fought Mark Young whos lost like 40 fights, Fury fought Chisora

Young had lost 6 fights by the time. He fought Mike and went on to lose his next 6 hardly stellar competition

In his next fight (16) he fought Jaco, The fight was somewhere in the middle of a 2wins & 16 losses streak for Jaco

I know Mike was young but the first 16 where bowling pins waiting to be knocked over

Guys like John McDermott who Fury fought in his 8th fight would have beat all of Mike ealry opponents

Just on this. You post once in a blue moon here on the forum. But you are obviously reading the threads, and clearly reading this one.

If you barely ever contribute to threads, why are posters who are contributing and discussing with decent back and forth, analysis, stats and opinions ruining anything? And most of all, how are we ruining threads for you, who doesn’t contribute anyway?

I didn't name anyone on my post. I expressed my opinion that Mike Tyson has been discussed numerous times on the boxing thread and the debate just goes round and round. In fact I had a debate with you on him a couple of years ago.

I feel and maybe others do that all points both pro and con Tyson have been to death at this stage.

We all rate some fighters more than others anyway and at 49 I remember Tyson winning his first world titles and loved him so it's not a Tyson bashing post.

If you want me to contribute I will, imo Mike Tyson beats Joshua, Wilder and Fury.

Apart from a power punch, what has Wilder got? He’s so basic..Tyson beat plenty lads with far better skill sets.

I didn't watch Wilder as amateur but how did he get a bronze at the Olympics was it all ko's to get on the team and to get that medal ?

He had a better amateur career than Mike

Wilder 43 -2 & one draw

Mike 24-3

Do you reckon anyone that Mike beat would have beat Ortiz ?

Wilder has more title defence's than Mike he also has a higher knock out percentage , he also beat Ortiz twice & drew with Fury

A couple more big wins & he would be clear

I meant in a row,

Was the belt vacant the second time Tyson won it & had one defence against Seldon is that correct ?

I'd say 10 because they both lost on there 11th defence ,]

Correct i was getting the two Bruno fight all mixed up ,

So was it Bruno beat McCall for the title then lost to Tyson for the second & retired, ?

What a scam

As expected I suppose!

Because Spinks was a LHW , He was middle weight champion at the Olympics ,

Yes he won the heavy weight title but it was because he seen the right opportunity in Holmes , he was afraid to leave the dressing rom against Mike ,

Holmes was retired grand da when he got the call to fight Mike.

Remember the story of Don King knocking on his front door when he was two year retired one night looking for him to fight, Holmes said who do you want me to fight King said Mike Tyson below is Holmes own words ,

Holmes replied i can't beat mike Tyson Don said, 'What if I give you 3 ½ million dollars?,' and I said, 'Where's Mike at?' I'm just glad he didn't kill me. He knocked me down a few times, but I didn't feel it because the first time he hit me I was numb. 

Yet you will hear some mention how Holmes was doing so well.....and then when Mike whacked him, he suddenly became this shot to bits has-been. He got whacked clean and hard, and it was not that much to do with his age/inactivity.

Fact of the matter is that any version Holmes does not beat Tyson. He hadn't the chin/recovery skills of an Ali to survive 12. Yes, he took a good shot, but he was on queer street several times from fighters not near as brutal as Tyson for finishing.

Meant to respond here. I was not implying that he was a turkey. But he does not have a good skillset from what I see. That's all.

Big, awkward and has a right hand power punch...

Out of 10 for skillset I'd be going 4/5 here, compared to a 9 for say Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis/Tyson.

Stories that AJ looking for new trainer(s) for Usyk rematch.

Holmes was the same age fighting Tyson as Wlad was fighting Fury.

And just because somebody was a light heavyweight doesn't mean they aren't good enough for heavyweight. Like he knocked out his other two opponents at heavyweight.

Also we have a cruiserweight world champion now holding a bunch of heavyweight belts and might be a champion for a few years. We'll see over the next few fights just how good he is.