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Claire Byrne and Farage

  • 19-10-2021 12:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Pretty disappointing stuff. Of course Farage is a chancer, but Byrne's approach was to sneer at him and play that Up the RA clip.


    It'd be quite welcome if she exposed him with questions, but sneering and quite literally saying to him that he hasn't got a clue, is not journalism and is not improving anyone's understanding.


    Even bringing on an English nationalist to talk about Ireland's relationship and the EU is a bit stupid, given that there is no popular support for leaving here. RTE's current affairs coverage is going backwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    Agree completely. She loves a gimmick on her show. There was absolutely nothing to be gained from bringing him on other than to show him that clip and laugh at him. She knew she'd get kudos from Twitter for sneering at him and that's all that mattered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Unbearable person.


    And Farage isn't much better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    That was really poor last night. Very disappointing from RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    too easy Claire :) cheap stunt but still funny seeing him squirm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Wasnt the best from RTE or from Claire Byrne. Plenty of better ways to conduct an interview than take something completely out of context and ham it in there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Telling your guests they haven't got a clue plays well on Twitter, where there is little room for reasoned comment, but RTE should be trying to do better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,218 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It was pretty obvious Farage didn't have a clue, considering he was comparing membership of the EU to 500+ years of British rule over Ireland.

    If anything she was pretty kind to him by just pointing out he's a knob rather than outright calling him one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    His up the RA comment wasn't taken out of context though... I don't actually think he should have been invited on cause he is very much so clueless about the nation. But he very much so showed what type of person he is in terms of that video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Field east


    Farage could have been torn a

    country have been torn apart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,840 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    i know the site is hard to navigate and all that, but at least the typing and text display wasn't affected....... until now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    She's a low brow tabloid hack posing as a serious journalist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭archfi


    She got what she wanted.

    A viral clip rewteeted by her radio boyfriend James O'Brien who creams himself saying - 'She's so good at this'

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If I recall, she's had other run-ins with him in the past and he's spouted the same nonsense then too and she's pulled him on it then also.

    So the pattern goes, he comes on, spouts nonsense, she holds him to account, he gets embarrassed/flustered

    Pity the UK outlets didn't do the same in the lead up to Brexit, the world might be a different place if they had



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You totally missed the point.

    Ireland fought a war of independence to leave one Union, but joined another Union.

    There is a very very Very obvious reason as to why Sinn Fein has advocated a 'No' vote in very EU/EEC referendum since the 1970's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You mean the Birthday greeting ....

    I am sure one can read into the Birthday greeting his entire history and knowledge of Anglo - Irish relations...... FFS!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He did a birthday greeting which included him proclaiming "up the RA".... What context am I missing that makes that suddenly okay? He hasn't demonstrated any particular knowledge of Irish history or culture tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    How was the "up the Ra" clip taken out of context? The point she was making was he didn't have a bull's notion of Irish history and the events surrounding it*.

    Farage went on to release a statement that he had fallen victim to a prank, a prank that saw him shout "up the Ra" (for a fee) as part of a birthday greeting.

    *There's the proof he didn't have a bull's notion.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Hahahaha people actually having a go at Claire Byrne here.

    She's absolutely right. He hasn't got a clue about Ireland yet he gets a massive platform in the UK to chat sh*te about Ireland on a regular basis.

    The 'up the RA' clip taken out of context? How? It was a prank and he went and said it with no idea whatsoever of what he was saying. How can he talk about Ireland and not have any idea what 'up the RA' means?

    'Out of context' my hole. He was caught out as the clueless fool that he is.

    The excuses people will make to defend this chancer are mind-boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Surprised at the Farage fan club on here. He is an odious Prick and should be treated as such at every opportunity. Fair play Claire



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Don't think it's a Farage fan club but more the issue of a woman getting above her station, in my opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    i doubt there's a fanclub but it's pretty low brow to ring up a feckin eegit just to show him a stupid video and then let him grandstand to the irish feckin eegits that love him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    I think she did well, I've seen a bunch of UK media and bloggers picking this up and saying how they wish their own media would hold him to account in the same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not at all surprised to see the tone of the thread is focused on feeling sorry for the Agitator in Chief Mr Farage.

    The Up the RA clip was cheap, but a perfect illustration of the BS that man pontificates about and how it is largely disconnected from reality.

    I do think Claire should have done better and when he started with the rhetoric about being governed by Europe after fighting the English for 500 years (it was actually 800 Nigel) she should have told him that every 5 years we have elections, using PR voting practices, to send people to be part of the governing process in Europe and that that is A- more reflective of true democracy than the FPTP method they use in the UK and B - that is very different to having a colonial occupier subjugating the country.

    I'm not surprised at the Farage support on here, many on Boards are comfortable with the idea of someone fighting for the traditional form of society they wish still existed. You can see it in their support of Farage, Trump, and against anything with even a whiff of progressiveness about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    She should have kept at him though. He said how dare you and she backed off.

    She put it to him that he knew nothing of Irish history if he could be caught out with the RA comment.

    So she is correct or else he said it in full knowledge of what he was saying. I don't see how you escape from that but she let him off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    Just watched the interview on RTE player. Anything Farage had to say was utterly predictable. There's HGV shortages in the US, Poland and Germany. There's loads of EU workers being let into the UK. A bit of speil about how Ireland are not ruled by the Irish government, a bit of pretending that the changes to our corporation tax was because of EU membership. Throw in a few lines about inflation


    Mostly the same soundbites Farage has been spouting for decades, getting them in whether or not they have anything to do with the question asked.


    Having him on is really kinda pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's hard to embarrass such a shameless person as Farage but she came close last night.

    He wears his brand of confidence and self promotion almost like a suit of armour.

    I think most people in Ireland have seen through him by now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Butson


    Sneering, childish from Byrne. I've never seen her like that with any of our absolute chancers, which is 90% of public life in Ireland.

    That show is pure tabloid drivel.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You haven't seen her hold any of our politicians to account?

    You either don't watch the show or you're a liar. Nobody gets an easy time on her show.

    Of course it's easy for people to say whatever they want on a message board without having to provide any substance whatsoever just to have a go at others, namely politicians and journalists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    I would have preferred if they had an interview in the middle with the guy in the dolphin outfit who beat Farage in an election. Might give people a better view of how popular the guy is



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    It's not about him though, most people know what Farage is. But Claire Byrne's journalism was very poor, it's tabloid stuff, telling him he hasn't got a clue instead of questioning him to establish that.


    On a broader scale it is worrying that this passes for decent journalism these days, it's a Fox news tactic to dismiss people rather than to allow their answers to expose the poverty of their arguments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Would I be too cynical in suggesting the reason for having someone so peripheral to Irish life on the show was to try and embarrass him and get some approval on Twitter? I'd like to think that's a cynical view, but I'd say it's probably accurate unfortunately.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    How is her 'journalism' very poor?

    He started pontificating about why the Irish fought the British, and she took him to task about his knowledge of the history of this island by showing him a clip of him saying 'up the RA' without any clue whatsoever to what it means to back up her point.

    Do you even know what journalism is? Because what Claire Byrne demonstrated is journalism in its most basic form.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition



    I would agree it was rather basic. if she had handled it appropriately she would have presented him with points that countered his argument, but left the focus on him rather than herself. Plus sneering the he hasn't a clue, even if most viewers would deem that to be true, undermines herself rather than Farage, it's the type of journalism you get quite a bit of in the US, where coverage of politics tends to be ideologically driven.



  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Pleasantly surprised to see so much criticism here of Byrne. It’s undignified that a serious journalist representing the national broadcaster would allow herself become offended (almost as though on behalf of Ireland) by a clown such as Farage, who was inevitably going to say something provocative.

    If nothing else, her implied argument is lousy: that because he wasn’t aware of the meaning of ‘Up the Ra’, his opinion on Irish affairs is automatically invalidated.

    I despair at Remainer Brits lauding that clip and the likes of Fintan O’Toole.

    But, of course, you have the usual crowd coming straight in with the ad hominem. If you criticise Byrne you must be pro-Farage. The person I quote above bemoans the tone of the thread and pro-Farage and Trump sentiment, before then, themselves, criticising Byrne! I don’t think one person here has expressed sympathy for Farage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,039 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well Corbyn got dubbed a traitor and a terrorist for a remark he made about the IRA so why does Farage get off the hook.

    If a lad got Starmer to say "Fk the Queen" for a birthday joke the UK media would go into absolute meltdown and he would end up on top a Guy Fawkes bonfire



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    Just for reference, here's the clip the thread is about

    Here's a previous run-in between them where she keeps pulling him up on his makey-upey nonsense




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,884 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Farage is best ignored and not given the air time he craves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Well observed, this is a huge issue in recent years, if you think A you get labelled as also thinking B, C and D.

    In this case pointing out the problems with Claire Byrne's behaviour sees people trying to paint you as an apologist for Farage. Which is stupid. But typical of the times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    Farage is an idiot and no idea why RTE are putting him on in the first place. Was he arranged to be on prior to the "Up da Ra" or did they see a good chance to show him up and hence why they brought him on?

    Some people bought his rubbish in Brexit and then watched as he backed away from all the lies he told to get it. Anyone watching what is happening in the UK and think it is a good idea hasn't a clue, at the end they will probably end up losing Scotland and Northern Ireland long term. As Borat would say "Great Success"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    It's very hard to see a good reason for having him on now, five years after the Brexit referendum. Particularly as there is no mainstream appetite for leaving the EU here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    How dare you! He has family in Ireland!

    But seriously, though, he is the very definition of 'right-wing grifter'. His act is shallower than a garden pond. He was out there last year doing that march for Brexit thing, wearing a flat cap and hunting jacket, and eating a bag of chips, trying to be as stereotypically British as possible. All that was missing was a pint of John Smith's in his hand. I'll give him this, though - it works, but only because British politicians had been so laughably out of touch over the last 15 years, especially since the recession, that desperate ordinary people look to an obvious hack like Farage as some kind of hope. It's only with Brexit passing and the rise of Johnson to PM that Farage's relevance has dwindled. The man is primed to be knocked down by any competent interviewer - but there seem to be too few of them out there and Farage is just a bit too clever to knowingly risk exposure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Well CB would be better suited to a presenter with Daithi o Shea or Afternoon Yak



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    That's the point, its not even part of the conversation in the media, so did RTE just get him on because of the "Up da Ra"? if so then fair play to them for lining him up, you would think he would of had the cop on not to walk into that one but he didn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    When the government wants to distract the public they play the patriotism card.

    So after folding like a cheap suit on corpo tax and keeping covid restrictions in place till next April or May they use this to distract.

    Can't have Nigel telling us all our government lied about guarantees on corpo tax rates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Interesting you're only here a couple months and have enough insight to identify the 'usual crowd'.

    Other people are criticising Byrne for taking that approach at all, I'm criticising her for not going far enough. See the difference?

    Farage is an odious individual and not enough people challenge him on the various angles of hypocrisy he exhibits. A generation of people in the UK are worse off partly as a consequence of this man and his imperialistic fetish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    In fairness to Byrne, she’s able to hold her own. But yet another example of forcefully interjecting with weak arguments.

    Ireland is staunchly pro-Europe at the moment, but that’s largely because it’s anti-English. It remains to be seen what might happen in the future, with the possibility of Sinn Fein, who have been consistently hostile to the EU, leading the next government. Quoting today’s figures while rubbishing the possibility of Ireland leaving in the future is transparently weak.

    And everyone knows Lisbon 2 was effectively identical to to 1. The truer argument is that it was defeated because of domestic grievances and so not a reflection of Euroscepticism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    So mad how out of touch this little corner of the internet is with Irish society as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    RTE is a mouthpiece for the Irish government and the EU.

    It receives major funding from both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And everyone knows Lisbon 2 was effectively identical to to 1.

    Wrong

    Before the second vote, Ireland obtained commitments from other EU member states that it would retain control of its taxes, neutrality and contentious issues such as abortion and workers rights. The country of 4.1 million will also keep a full-time seat in the European Commission, the EU's executive branch, rather than a rotating commissioner as envisaged at the time of the first referendum.

    I'd say you stand on the pier in Dún Laoghaire wistfully looking across towards 'the mainland' humming Rule Britannia to yourself.



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