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Ireland badly needs a new centre-right party - Here's my proposal

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,741 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I do and just don't get the impression as your giving. That 'the right' is everywhere. It isn't. In Ireland such people are very niche/fringe. Unlike many other countries. Maybe you just notice it more if they appear occasionally. Radical right is similar to radical left. In that they are normally vocal types. But the numbers those fringes get in General Elections just does not stack up.

    Even if you think of the OP's post the implication seems to be that a new Centre-Right party would be radical. That is a 'Centre Right' party!

    To me it just shows me that people in Ireland should be thankful of a very centrist type of politics. Noone is really going to rock the boat at the end of the day. It is a common sense type politics. Very little hysteria.

    Compare that to other nations!

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Re-read what he said.


    His cousin lives in a local authority owned house which is worth 500k


    Nothing unusual about it ,they ( councils) have paid more than 500k in some places in the last few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Presumably OP would say he is too busy working hard and getting up early in the morning, as are most of those of like mind, so there's noone to make his fantasy party a reality...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,954 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    The comment was

    "All discourse in media here is from a centre left to far left perspective"

    And

    " the only time they got any airtime was in the abortion referendum."

    Taking newstalk as an example a search "David Quinn" brings up 13 segments, all after the referendum.

    He also has an column in the Sunday times along with the likes of Breda o Brien in the Irish times. They are free to waffle all sorts of nonsense as "opinion".

    So both those comments are demonstrably untrue.

    The issue is that there is a certain ingrained victim hood in "conservatives" in this country and elsewhere. To them it's not a case of them/their views being largely in a severe minority with people not wanting what they are selling, it's the media/government/liberals that are restricting them.

    Look at the debate on here leading up to the abortion referendum, where afterwards we found out that the mods bent over backwards to keep "conservative" posters, that would have been banned normally from getting banned so as to keep opposing voices on the forum.

    As for you over zealous posters comment. This is a discussion forum if you aren't willing ( and in a lot of cases I see, can't)to stand over your post then there are other places on the internet where you will find the correct chamber you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Without a swanky name, this party wouldn't get many votes at all.


    Here's my suggestion: The Reactionary Party



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Abortion is a poor example

    How about the area of immigration or refugees ( DP etc ), no one could deny that opinions opposed to current levels do not receive a voice in media which reflects the public mood ?


    Media here is categorically enthusiastic about immigration and the acceptance of refugees ,no dissenting voices are heard



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    The gang you hang around with are not public opinion, just the opinion of your gang.... if it was a widespread issue there would be something to cover....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The occasional poll has shown that immigration is a concern for a high percentage of the public, this is not reflected in media discourse.


    Why do you think that is OK?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Off you go so! If you believe that strongly in it then book a room somewhere and advertise and promote your meeting. You might even try Zoom. See how many people show up. Don't forget to do all the requisite social media stuff as well and get a decent party name. Then figure out how you're going to get funding for this thing to work. Good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,665 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so the media is largely to blame for the suppression of such beliefs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The media and the assortment of NGO,s who want open borders effectively


    Both actively work to suppress discent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    who want open borders effectively.

    Can you post a couple links from Irish media that show them advocating for open borders?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    They portray all residents of DP as genuine refugees fleeing terrible hardship.


    It's far beyond biased reporting and pure propaganda.

    The NGO sector have now broadened the criteria from fleeing war to " climate change refugees "



    It's a multi pronged attack on our sovereignty on a constant basis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can you post a link? It should be easy if they do so much of it.

    How do you know it isn't true but is propaganda? Who told you? Have you investigated the topic yourself?

    Why do you think climate change, which has devastated livelihoods is not a valid reason to seek a better opportunity elsewhere? Are you saying that if your family was suffering in such a way, you wouldn't do everything you could to better their chances at having a safe and prosperous future?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,017 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Read the op , then read the name of the op and got a sick feeling in my stomach !

    Any relation to Lucinda ?

    If so majority won't vote for your party .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    It's well known that most who claim refugee status are merely economic migrants.


    RTE has never once questioned the validity of those who reside in DP and heaven knows, they bang on about DP enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's well known that most who claim refugee status are merely economic migrants.

    How do you know? Is it because most applicants are refused? If so, then what is the problem?

    You still haven't posted a link showing all the media asking for open borders? Any chance you're getting your information from Facebook and are just spitting out catch phrases?



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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland has a very low rate of immigration and has a policy towards refugees which is specifically designed to put people off applying to Ireland as refuge. There is a lot of hysteria about immigration among some extreme right wing groups, a hysteria which resulted in the arson of a number of proposed direct provision centers, it seems that the opening commentator has been circulating in those unsavory circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    A lot of Irish people leave Ireland for places like the OP describes. Very few go to the Nordic countries. They tend to go to the UK,NZ,Auz,Canada and the USA. All places were anybody earning over €35k pay less tax. Many now go to the middle East and pay no tax.

    But why is their currently little support for lower taxes among the electorate?


    The OP could easily be describing NZ or Australia i.e lower taxes and a strict migration policy. Even socialist Ardern has decided that only highly skilled migrants will be allowed in post covid.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/17/new-zealand-to-cut-low-skill-immigration-and-refocus-on-wealthy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Don't forget they get taxsaver commuter tickets, too!

    Even though they don't pay tax...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    In essence, there is a race to the left. For instance, if an NGO calls for an amnesty for undocumented migrants, left wing parties will applaud. Much of the media will cheer it on too, but there won't be anyone from a mainstream party who will confidently oppose it. They will hum and haw uncomfortably, but will be very reluctant to vocally speak out against it.

    If they did, expect to hear some NGO-head tutting-tutting about it in a conveniently timed interview, courtesy of their friends in the Irish Times or RTE.

    Over time the Left drifts ever further Left, with groupthink and peer pressure dragging everyone else along with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,665 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...because some of us realise, that be fcuking stupid, significantly reducing our ability to run the place and service our debts, default, and you ll enter a world of pain very fcuking quickly!



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All the major parties may have socially progressive/liberal policies, and they even punt a few welfare hand outs to keep the poor onside, but they are economically right of center on everything else. Its a really illusion that those on the right have that Ireland is left of center on everything - its simply not true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    " very low rate of immigration "


    Patently untrue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    FG centre left LOL.

    I think it'd be as sucessfull as Lawerence Fox's London mayoral campaign.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    In essence, there is a race to the right. For instance, if the EU calls for Ireland to take its share of refugees from, e.g., Syria, centre-right government parties will do the least amount possible. An announcement will be made about X number being admitted and much of the media will cheer it on, too, but then it'll be announced that the refugees are being put into direct provision centres miles form anywhere.

    Nobody from a centre-right party will speak out about security-vetted but traumatised refugees being left for years in DP centres.

    The location of a proposed DP centre might well be leaked, though. Expect to hear some tut-tutting from the likes of the Tan Torino or Litler Barrett in a conveniently timed interview, courtesy of their friends in the Irish Times or RTÉ, with no balance offered. Locals in favour not interviewed, and certainly nobody who's worked on integration with people in other DP centres.

    The proposed DP centre might get burned down. The perpetrators won't be found. No prosecution will be brought.

    Over time, the right drifts ever further right...

    Thank **** for that. Our health system would have collapsed long ago if it wasn't for immigrant doctors and nurses.

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