Heavyweight Boxing

Yea. Exactly what I mean. I don't accept his opponents weren't good. He fought very good fighters.

All heavyweights hit hard. But what made him unique was his explosive speed coupled with his power. 30 isn't old for a cerebral fighter. He just wasn't the same when he fought Evander. He was that touch slower, that in my opinion meant all the difference when you don't have another weapon in your arsenal. His frustration was clear in that fightn and it was his beginning of the end.

People change. The really really great hall of fame fighters adapted their fighting style over time. When Ali fought Archie Moore in the early 60s he was a completely different athlete to the man that lay on the ropes against Foreman in Zaire 10 years later.

Ali, was well over the hill by the time he was Tyson Furys age and he's considered the 'greatest" boxer of all time by many (Not me)

My point is If Ali in his early 30s with all his skills is past his best, tyson at 30 was well past his best

Eubank’s joke of an opponent just quit after a few rounds. Wasn’t in the mood, from what it looks!

Tyson didn't train for that fight

He was far from perfect. But Mike tyson at his best beats Holyfield

Douglas got up off the canvas for that fight. He was a tidy enough fighter but tyson was so dominant that the betting odds were nuts again him.

It was one of the greatest upsets in sporting history for a reason. Because of tysons ability.

Ruiz beating AJ. Was a surprise but will be forgotten about for the same reason

Tyson gets eff all leeway. If anything he is generally more harshly assessed than others. Buster fight he lost. We get it. But he was not the same fighter that night. He just wasn’t. It’s not an excuse. It’s just an observation .

Other than the above, he usually gets slated as fighting nobodies and bums, despite him cleaning out the division and beating all the top rated guys , and going 10–1 (championship fights) or thereabouts up to and including the loss to Douglas.

Impossible to know I suppose. Don King ruined him.

I suppose Tyson has beaten Roy Jones Jnr now so that'll jump him up a place!

AJ in about 30 seconds.

Wilder and Fury, not sure. Theyre so big and fight so big, but prime Tyson probably could get inside them yeah.

Yeah probably. Wilder is 6ft 7 though. Who was the tallest Tyson fought? Lewis?

simulation was done between mike and wilder

https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/boxing-news-gaming-legends-youtuber-simulates-mike-tyson-vs-deontay-wilder-on-fight-night-20201123

Tyson took a helluva shot. Took Buster 10 rds of steady pasting to finally put Tyson away. And still Tyson was trying to get up. Wilder lands far far less than Buster did. Buster could actually throw combinations inside and outside. Wilder can’t

Wlider has a straight right hand. Against Tyson, who was far shorter, this shot is just not the shot for Wilder. Take the jab. A very important shot to set up your combinations, or to keep your foe at range. Wilder has no jab, at least not one that will be effective vs Tyson

Added to this is Wilder’s lack of punch variation, as well as his lack of punch mechanics and variability. He’s an upright stiff single shot power puncher. No real punch/body manoeuvrability.

Take a Bowe or Lewis. Both 6 inches taller than Mike, but both had far better punch variation and punch selection. And excellent jabs! As well as damaging inside games. They could punch standing tall, short and mid. They had far better body mechanics than Wilder.

I cannot at all see the straight right power shot being a winner for Wilder. Tyson is on him all night and hitting him really hard from all sides/angles. 3 rds tops

He had a very unique style…everything about it.

Cus modelled him on the Floyd Patterson peekaboo style. Bob, weave, forward pressure and fast attacking feet using angles.

Even watch him training: I don’t think any footage exists where he is doing any textbook fundamental type drills.

I have never seen him do a standard normal type pads session. It’s all manic explosion and in your face attacks.

Everything was power punching combinations, focusing on angles and attacking speed.

Closest style I have seen was Frazier and Tua, or a middleweight Nigel Benn.

Frazier didn’t have the speed/variation of Tyson, but did have the same come forward pressure aggression style.

Yes, I agree. Wilder easiest of the three. He has no way to win for me. I am not even considering his right hand. Just doesn’t work for me.

AJ a very close second easiest. He has far better overall punching than Wilder, but vs Tyson it means eff all. He no way makes it 12 doing it and not getting tagged. AJ is not at all difficult to tag, and for such an aggressive fighter like Tyson, this proves deadly. No chin, and no survival/spoiling instincts/abilities. Tyson had a great chin. You had to hammer him to put him away.

Fury makes a proper go of it due to height and size and ring IQ/intangibles.

Really hate the talk of what "he could have been " He is who he is & it wasn't good enough to keep him at the top,

The mental side of the game is the bigger part & he couldn't keep it together,

Crazy if you think about it but Fury probably done more damage to himself & chances at boxing in his 2 year bender of drink & drugs than Mikes prison sentence did to him & it was Fury who came back stronger , i realise having different skill sets is a massive reason for that

Another mad one is in Mike's last fight before Prison he was the same age as AJ was making his professional debut

Just in your comment that the heavyweight division was in the bin back then, I'd say it's worse now. When Whyte is top five and Chisora top ten it's pretty bad.

This is true yeah. Was bad post Holmes though. Tony Tubbs a top 5. Tyrell Biggs top 10 etc.

Its all been sh1t since Holyfield/Tyson/Lewis lets face it.

The reason id pick Fury is because we have never seen him lose no matter what Fury turns up he finds a way to win ,

Mike showed us numerous times he can be beat, he can turn up not ready , he can give up , all things we are yet to see form Fury ,

If you want to watch the highlights of explosive ,vicious heavy weight boxing watch a highlight package of Mike,

If you want to watch the greatest Heavy weights in action he's a long way down that list,

Yes, Lewis could very well give prime Tyson issues. I just believe that his chin won't survive. Lewis did not have a glass chin. It was a decent chin, but Mike was so so much better 1986-1988 compared to 2002. Now, Lewis may have been better than 2002, but that's questionable. Lewis in the late 90s and early 2000s was a hulk of a man, and physically stronger than the lighter early 90s version

Lewis is kind of like Ali for me....his peak was a mix of two timespans. Ali mid to late 60s and early to mid 70s....was stronger and took better shot in the 1970s.......was faster and more elusive in the mid 60s. Lewis was faster in the early 90s, and more aggressive, but stronger and more mature/experienced in the late 90s and early 2000s...

Problem for Lewis is that during both spans, he was clean knocked out. A prime Tyson will be very dangerous for Lewis....

Joe Louis: a boxer-puncher at 200 lbs. I happen to think prime Tyson gets him out in a round. Tyson is Joe's worst style match

1. Joe could be hit
2. he could be hurt
3. Tyson comes to kill
4. won't find Joe difficult to find/hit
5. Tysons chin better
6. 20 lbs solid weight heavier

Clean win for Mike here

Holmes? Watch their 1988 fight again, Holmes was doing nothing. Few silly flashes on his toes and popping a jab. He was then brutally taken out

Tyson always a bad match for Holmes. Holmes was not, for me, as wily/durable/resilient as Ali. Larry as down heavy several times from far less overall deadly punchers than Mike. Holmes has nothing on his shots to deter Mike. And Holmes will not avoid heavy leather...he gets knocked out.

A fit Fury at 280 pounds with big reach and height advantage is a nightmare for Tyson imo.

You could ask same question of many HWs? Who were the best they beat? They beat who was in their era at the time

You are fixated on wanting to portray Tyson's first reign as being against bums, which is ridiculous, and inaccurate..

Who at HW was so great that Holmes beat? Louis? Liston? Dempsey? Tunney?

They beat who was in front of them, and lost to what was in front of them

Mike was the younger man when he fought Lewis and got demolished ,

Lennox beats him 9 out of 10 times ,

Well of the people Tyson is allegedly in contention with (ie top 10 ever)

Holmes beat Norton, Shavers and loads of the people Tyson beat. Williams, Smith, Witherspoon, Marvis.

Ali beat Liston, Patterson, Williams, Foreman, Frazier, Norton.

Foreman beat Frazier, Norton, Lyle.

Lewis beat Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko.

Holyfield beat Tyson twice, Foreman and all the others Tyson beat.

Frazier beat Ali.

Tyson beat..... Bruno?

Its a genuine question. And the only way to judge greatness. The fantasy stuff is just that.

Which greats of his era did he beat? Theres usually only 2 or 3 by the way in any era. But he lost to both of them. Apart from Naseem, still my favourite fighter ever to watch mind you.

The obvious strategy for Fury would be to get behind that jab all night and use that 14 inch reach advantage. Even if Mike did catch Fury and put him down I'd have full faith that he'll get up and still win. Mike's only hope would be to end it early, longer it goes on Fury with lean on him, wrestle him, slow him down and probably get a late stoppage.

He could also win going on the offensive, take the centre of the ring and get tyson fighting on the back foot. He'd look for those clubbing right hands to the ear, lots of 1-2's and clinch, wear him down. Bit riskier but likely to end in a quicker stoppage.

Norton and Shavers were not near great, despite Norton beating Ali...

Some the names you mention were every bit as weak as you want to make Mike's opponents to be.

They beat who was in their era....Tyson's 10 wins up to 1990 Douglas was every bit as decent as some the names on Holmes' ledger

Foreman lost to Jimmy Young for chrissake Norton he knocked out. Big deal. So did Cooney...even quicker I believe.

Your selecting Mike's wins and trying to lambast his opposition, while trying to not lambast others is way off....they all beat and lost to names that were in their time.

Holmes, lost to fooking Spinks......a man Mike pulverized in one round, yet what happens? Yes, Mike's detractors slag Spinks as being too small...this is the kind of logic that gets thrown around

And on Floyd Patterson: One of, if not the weakest HW champions ever. I'd back all Tyson's opponent he beat during his 1986-1989 reign to KO Patterson. Liston is 2-2 in championship bouts. Both wins vs. Patterson..