Philadelphia Eagles Thread

Hococop · 05-01-2021 1:43am

Feel bad for Nate, he was like a deer in headlights, felt like he got a few poor snaps and zero protection. Just thrown to the wolves last night

05-01-2021 10:03am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It's not an either or for me.

The nature of how he went about it is what sticks in the craw for most. The 4th down decision when they could have taken the FG to equalise was such a pisser.

It'll all blow over anyway, but for now...

Fúck Giants fans though.

Going for it on 4th down is very common for Doug though that wasn't calling a 0 cover blitz out of nowhere on a hail mary play it was pretty consistent with what's been called for years

Foxtrol · 05-01-2021 3:15pm

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

Your right it's far less agregous than a season long tank. Pull players to ensure they don't get hurt. Of the giants wanted the playoffs they should won more than 6 games

I actually have less of an issue with a season long tank, where you trade away your assets but the coaches and team still go out to try to win games with who they have out there - like Dolphins last year or the Jets this year. Actively making decisions mid game to get your team to lose is a different story - which is why there was similar outcry to the Jets-Raiders game but it went away due to the firing of Williams.

So much BS coming out of the Eagles as explanation for this move. If injury was a concern why are those players out there at all, risk doesn't suddenly increase later in the game. Pederson also saying afterwards claiming Sudfeld was going to give them the best chance to win - presume they'll be resigning Sudfeld and/or drafting a QB at 6 now then...

Agree with the point that this will all blow over quite quickly in the media but I don't think Pederson is ever getting the respect he has lost back, including from his players and staff.

Hococop wrote: »

Feel bad for Nate, he was like a deer in headlights, felt like he got a few poor snaps and zero protection. Just thrown to the wolves last night

What else could be expected from the position his coach put him in, the coach gave the signal he was making a business decision to lose and obviously the rest of the team would do the same.

05-01-2021 4:02pm

The discussion between a browns if a few years ago type tank and this are certainly interesting.

Either way I think the giants fans/media are way out of line. In fairness I think Eli manning was messing with his tweet but some others are not

Foxtrol · 05-01-2021 5:12pm

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

The discussion between a browns if a few years ago type tank and this are certainly interesting.

Either way I think the giants fans/media are way out of line. In fairness I think Eli manning was messing with his tweet but some others are not

Not sure how the media is out of line, they called it for exactly what it appeared to be just like they did earlier in the season for the Jets-Raiders game, though that narrative changed to it being incompetence rather than open tanking when they sacked Williams.

It says it all that the explanation from Eagles fans for what Pederson did all boil down to either whataboutery, obvious lies, or attacking the messenger.

Itssoeasy · 05-01-2021 5:43pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Not sure how the media is out of line, they called it for exactly what it appeared to be just like they did earlier in the season for the Jets-Raiders game, though that narrative changed to it being incompetence rather than open tanking when they sacked Williams.

It says it all that the explanation from Eagles fans for what Pederson did all boil down to either whataboutery, obvious lies, or attacking the messenger.

They weren’t comparing like for like which is why the media are somewhat out of line.

We had rich eisen who’s a jets fan literally hoping the jets would tank and got annoyey when they decided they wanted to win.

Also, fecking spare me the giants players and giants fans getting upset. If they didn’t want to have to rely of a rival then maybe they should have won more than six games this season. The eagles did not have a good season at all and I think us eagles fans will be the first to admit it but the eagles playing bad had no bearing on on how poor the other three teams in the division. Each team had 10 other games bar the division games.

And I’m not defending what Doug Peterson because he should always try to win and if the story about the players and coaches being royally pissed over the call then Doug Peterson should be fired. He won’t be but but he should.

Foxtrol · 05-01-2021 6:43pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

They weren’t comparing like for like which is why the media are somewhat out of line.

We had rich eisen who’s a jets fan literally hoping the jets would tank and got annoyey when they decided they wanted to win.

Also, fecking spare me the giants players and giants fans getting upset. If they didn’t want to have to rely of a rival then maybe they should have won more than six games this season. The eagles did not have a good season at all and I think us eagles fans will be the first to admit it but the eagles playing bad had no bearing on on how poor the other three teams in the division. Each team had 10 other games bar the division games.

And I’m not defending what Doug Peterson because he should always try to win and if the story about the players and coaches being royally pissed over the call then Doug Peterson should be fired. He won’t be but but he should.

I said from my original post and fully agree that Giants fans and players don't have any right to complain about how this impacts them.

I still don't see how the media were out of line or how this is different than what we initially believed was purposeful throwing of the game by the Jets earlier in the season. There was initially similar complaints/outrage about that and it didn't have the multiplying factors of being on SNF and directly deciding another teams playoff fate.

I'm sure there would have been Eagles fans in the media that would have similarly grumbled if they had been successful on Sunday for how it impacted their draft pick - even though the difference between #1 or #2 pick is completely different than #6 or #9 pick.

As for your last point, I don't think that would be a decision he would have made if he didn't either ok it with his superiors or else feel like his job was 100% secure. It is nearly a good sign for the team that players and coaches are royally pissed at him, if they weren't then the culture would be there to make business decisions when it suits them. Problem now is that he has infected the team with that mindset which is far from ideal when they are looking at a rebuild.

05-01-2021 7:07pm

I just can't fathom the logic of tanking an entire season or multiple is fine but tanking a game that's meaningless is disrespectful to the game.

Also with regards the comment on whataboutism I don't see why pointing out that this is not uncommon is an issue.

Iv also seen it said that starting sudfield wouldn't have been an issue but brining him in during the game is which again seems to be a strange attitude

If this was the other way around I wouldn't care at all because with 6 wins the playoffs is undeserved and pointless. If this was jacksonville that didn't make the playoffs I don't think anything would be made of it

Foxtrol · 05-01-2021 8:06pm

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

I just can't fathom the logic of tanking an entire season or multiple is fine but tanking a game that's meaningless is disrespectful to the game.

I can't fathom how you don't see the difference

One has the coaches and players trying to win each game but failing due to the poor team, the other is a coach purposefully sabotaging his team mid game because it looked like they might have a chance of winning. No one is saying either is 'fine' but there is an obvious, fundamental difference.

Also with regards the comment on whataboutism I don't see why pointing out that this is not uncommon is an issue.

But it is an uncommon issue, the examples you're pushing is pure false equivalence. The only time similar situation that appeared to have happened this season it received the same sort of media focus, even though it wasn't on a primetime game and didn't directly impact the playoffs for another team.

Iv also seen it said that starting sudfield wouldn't have been an issue but brining him in during the game is which again seems to be a strange attitude

It probably wouldn't have caused as much of a stir because everyone, Eagles players included, would have known the situation but again purposefully starting a 3rd string QB is far worse than any other team has done to 'tank' this season, made worse by the fact that Hurts actually could use game time after having limited starts in his career.

If this was the other way around I wouldn't care at all because with 6 wins the playoffs is undeserved and pointless. If this was jacksonville that didn't make the playoffs I don't think anything would be made of it

Again, the evidence from this season points to you being completely wrong. When it looked like the Jets coaching team purposefully lost a mid-season game with less impact to others and a far larger draft benefit there was intense media focus on it.

Here is what an Eagles player thinks about it, keep trying to brush it off if you want but even the players don't see it as being right.

https://twitter.com/JFMcMullen/status/1346509893457621000?s=20

01-02-2021 6:20pm

So how do we feel the off-season will go? Lot of players almost certainly gone but it feels like a probability we go into next year with two QBs.

Jamar chase seems like the dream.pick for us but I don't know if there's value in a reciever with a team that may take a year or two at best to get back perhaps a trade back is ideal

Itssoeasy · 01-02-2021 8:06pm

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

So how do we feel the off-season will go? Lot of players almost certainly gone but it feels like a probability we go into next year with two QBs.

Jamar chase seems like the dream.pick for us but I don't know if there's value in a reciever with a team that may take a year or two at best to get back perhaps a trade back is ideal

Well our new head coach said in front of the whole world that the GM Howie Roseman is in charge of the roster so given the last couple of years, I’ll be happy if there’s a 53 man roster by the next season. Obviously that’s being a bit dramatic but how he’s still there and Doug was giving his walking papers is a huge surprise. He’s and much to blame, if not more on the landfill of a team the eagles have had the past couple of seasons. His drafts haven’t been good really. I don’t know there’ll be a team playing next season but I would put money down on its make up.

01-02-2021 9:15pm

I suppose the hope is glen dorsey was brought in so howie will be told to stay away from the draft but I suspect his ego will prevent that

Itssoeasy · 02-02-2021 12:52am

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

I suppose the hope is glen dorsey was brought in so howie will be told to stay away from the draft but I suspect his ego will prevent that

Probably. I mean yes okay fair enough he got a raw deal when chip Kelly was head coach(remember that dog and pony show ?) and got demoted and I did feel sorry for him but Jesus that sympathy is well gone now. I just don’t understand how he’s still there. The super bowl win wasn’t built on his drafting so what exactly is he pitching as his success ? Anyway after the super bowl I’ll be checking out of football for a couple of weeks like I always do and hopefully by the draft we might see where things stand.

Celtic_Eagle · 08-02-2021 1:15pm

What is the view of Eagle's fans on here in relation to next season's QB?

Are you happy enough for Carson to be traded (Rumours the bears are in heavy for him with Foles returning along with potential first round pick) and run with Jalen Hurts or are you in the keep CW at all costs camp?

I think it is worth going again with CW with a new OC in place and see if he can regain some confidence. I think he is a franchise QB but didn't get much help from an ageing O-Line over the last few months. People are saying he needs a fresh start but with a new HC he could get that by staying put if indeed management fancy him?

I know the cap is a mess and it might take us a few years to get out the other side of it but I think it is a huge off season for the Eagles

Rock Lesnar · 08-02-2021 2:01pm

Personally, i'd trade Wentz, i was never really a fan, and if we get the superbowl mvp back, i think he's perfect for Hurts to learn from and we get a 1st to

Celtic_Eagle · 09-02-2021 2:46pm

Would not disagree with that either to be honest? I am not 100% in the CW camp, I just think he and the Eagles would benefit from giving it another go however I would be comfortable enough with Hurts starting as he looks solid with his movement in the pocket and has the legs which CW doesn't.

I suppose it all depends on what other organisations are offering for CW?

Very surprised Howie was not part of the purge......he needs to perform on draft day!

mrkiscool2 · 18-02-2021 11:28pm

Wentz gone to the Colts for some middle order draft picks this and next draft. If the Colts do well next season Eagles get a second 1st round pick.

Celtic_Eagle · 30-04-2021 2:53pm

So what are Eagle's fans views on DeVonta Smith??

Solid choice in my opinion and will bring some versatility to the roster

30-04-2021 4:56pm

Celtic_Eagle wrote: »

So what are Eagle's fans views on DeVonta Smith??

Solid choice in my opinion and will bring some versatility to the roster

I'm delighted with it. If you look at the recieving talent we've had as a franchise he's probably our highest rated drafted reciever ever. Certainly for my time following the team. If you look at how much fans loved desean smith could end up a club legend all going well.

He should also allow reagor to step up a bit i really couldn't be happier with it.

Celtic_Eagle · 04-05-2021 1:53pm

I agree fully and think overall the draft is a very positive one. I didn't think it was in Howie and time will tell but it appears on paper to be the best draft in years for the eagles..

05-05-2021 12:46pm

Hard to say really for the whole class but smiths our best prospect in some time. Dickersons health is a major concern and miltilon williams is an athletic shot in the dark so we will see how they go

Celtic_Eagle · 12-05-2021 10:41am

Dickerson's injury issues are a major concern alright but if they can keep him fit and right he should be a decent acquisition.

It feels like it could be a new dawn but in typical Eagle's fashion we will be brought back down to earth and hopes dashed after 2/3 weeks of the regular season but staying positive

12-05-2021 11:26am

Celtic_Eagle wrote: »

Dickerson's injury issues are a major concern alright but if they can keep him fit and right he should be a decent acquisition.

It feels like it could be a new dawn but in typical Eagle's fashion we will be brought back down to earth and hopes dashed after 2/3 weeks of the regular season but staying positive

I don't expect us to be competing anyway next year being honest so I'd just be happy with performances from the likes of hurts,smith,reagor,mialata,dillard etc iv few hopes to be dashed

Itssoeasy · 13-09-2021 12:07pm

Well it’s one game and it’s against a poor Atlanta team but there are certainly some positives to take from the game. The defense held and then got more into the game which is good. The O line had moments where they couldn’t stop false starting but on the whole they were much better than this time season already. Jalen hurts played very well, as did devonta smith, and Gainwell at RB had a nice day. Our two TEs did some nice work and Dallas Goedert got a TD.

As I said it’s one game but if they can build on the positives and limit the bad stuff against what is a tough stretch of games I'll be happy and have a better feel for the team, but certainly cautious optimism which is rare for eagles fans.

13-09-2021 1:21pm

Ya the falcons where really bad but we looked good. Hurts looked composed and the team looked better coached and schemed than last year. Next week against the 9ers will be telling. I expect a loss but the performance will be interesting

Celtic_Eagle · 15-09-2021 12:50pm

I am actually optimistic for Sunday given the display last weekend. I was worried after the first 2 Atlanta drives but once the defense kept them out in the red zone they grew from there. JH looked very solid and it was a wise move to make some simple initial plays to help find some rhythm. The discipline re penalties conceded would worry me so a lot of work to be done pre game this weekend. The 9ers impressed me in the highlights reel from week 1 but back on home soil i think we have a good chance in giving them a run for their money. If we can build on the performance we can give the cowboys a run for the division however there is a lot of ball to be played.

Celtic_Eagle · 20-09-2021 8:22am

Really disappointing second half last night, the momentum completely shifted when we could not add to the 3 point lead in the end zone late in the second quarter.

Some of the play calls were strange to say the least but they dug in until the end. Again stupid penalties costing us and hearing that Brandon Graham has done his achilles and is out for the year which is a disaster. Losing him and Brooks yesterday meant the D could not get near JG and the 9ers kept plugging away and making plays and yards.

Fletcher Cox needs to also start earning his crust as the highest paid player on the roster, 1 sack in the last 6/7 games tells its own story.

We go again week 3

20-09-2021 12:07pm

To be fair to Cox him getting double teamed is why hargrave is playing well. Cox still collapsing the pocket through double teams os good work

Celtic_Eagle · 21-09-2021 8:44am

Fair comment and i know he generally creates space for others but would be looking for a bit more from him but only 2 games in and the coaching ticket still working up schemes no doubt.

Itssoeasy · 21-09-2021 12:02pm

I know I’m a couple of days late but I decided to watch the game in 40 on gamepass and there were moments that had they went right we’d have won because yes the niners scored 17 points but it wasn’t a smooth as that sounds.

Jalen hurts had a bit of a reality check but still had some good moments. The Oline was okay but Brandon brooks being injured(hopefully not serious) didn’t help. Devonta smith wasn’t as impressive as week 1. The reagor non TD was unlucky but the mess down the other end was annoying. It’s like that got to the goaline and went blank. I’m not sure what to think for next Monday night against Dallas who got the win against the chargers but it wasn’t a great showing.

Celtic_Eagle · 27-09-2021 11:53am

Jordan Mailata confirmed out for tonight too......not looking forward to this one but lets hope Dillard plugs that gap.

It could be a long night

Celtic_Eagle · 28-09-2021 9:25am

Abysmal this morning, zero running game and another week with far too many penalties conceded.

Massive week coming up however if feels now like the optimism of week one is evaporating quickly

Itssoeasy · 28-09-2021 4:09pm

I was right what I said about the Atlanta game being one game. I didn’t see the game live but early this morning and at lunchtime I’ve watched most of the game in 40 on gamepass and Jalen hurts and the teams got another reality check last night. Not sure where we go from here but it can only be up. The lack of discipline two weeks running is one of many areas of concern.

next week is another week as they say.

Celtic_Eagle · 04-10-2021 8:38am

It certainly does not feel like we should be 1-3, again some positive aspects to last night and i think JH is definitely the future and making plays but again penalties are killing us!! albeit some very unfortunate ones at times but discipline is an easy.

we need to get a few wins on the board but cannot see it happening with the level of injuries and key personnel missing

Celtic_Eagle · 11-10-2021 8:22am

A big big win for the birds last night! I really could not see it playing out that way at half time and indiscipline and penalty concessions looked liked killing us again. Big play Slay, Steven Nelson and Avonte Maddox came up with some serious plays, i thought the Maddox one in particular was hugely important at that stage of the game.

We are still a work in progress and loads of areas that need massive improvement but you cannot help but think that last night was critical for the coaching ticket.

Bring on Brady....

Celtic_Eagle · 14-10-2021 2:06pm

TNF and tomorrow off work 😍

I think we will give Brady et al a rub but may ultimately come up short but looking forward to see how the coach and team stack up against the best

Celtic_Eagle · 14-10-2021 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019450#Comment_118019450

** Run ** although i am sure he would not mind a rub! 😅

Celtic_Eagle · 15-10-2021 8:24am

Disappointing again and the game was over by HT even though they dug in!

The Offense is simply not running the ball enough, Miles Sanders is not seeing any of it!

Anyway 2-4 is probably a fair reflection on where the eagles are as a football team

15-10-2021 9:43am

Miles sanders is getting frustrated to boot silly run out if bounds twice at the end of last week and silly penalty early in the game this morning in our first drive. This is just a bad team at the moment. I'm sceptical enough of the coaching but hurts is not an nfl starting qb so it looks like we're in for someone this off-season

Itssoeasy · 15-10-2021 4:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118022534#Comment_118022534

He’s run out of bounds several times this season before last night and it drives me nuts because in previous games it stoped the clock when I’ve needed it to run.

Itssoeasy · 25-10-2021 12:21am

As I said as of October 24th, 2021 I despise this team and the coaching staff are an embarrassment with most of the players not being far behind the coaching staff.

25-10-2021 9:47am

I wouldn't say despise by any means but in 20+ years as an eagles fan this may be the worst team iv watched. Only the last Andy Reid year competes really

Itssoeasy · 25-10-2021 12:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118069814#Comment_118069814

Despise may have been too harsh a word in hindsight but to be fair I was saying it in real time and I was no happy watching that crap. It’s not far below that level though. Howie roseman HAS be run out of Philly in the off season at the very latest, I’m sorry and it’s not personal as I don’t know him personally, but he is a major part of making me hate watching the American football team I’ve followed for over twenty years and he needs to go.

The coaching staff need to find the respective coaching for dummies books for their positions and read the bloody thing and fix the mess or else they may as well join roseman out the gap.

25-10-2021 1:00pm

Ya I ended up watching some of the cardinals game and it's like a different sport.

I suspect rosemary will be kept despite my recently fi ding out our last first or second round picks to play on a second contract where Lane and ertz. The drafting has been beyond incompetent we've been surviving off of Andy and chips players now they are starting to go

25-10-2021 1:02pm

I think we need to give minshew a crack at starting also

Celtic_Eagle · 15-11-2021 10:53am

Another solid performance last night, JH is certainly getting there and the only blot on his copybook yesterday was the interception.

Smith is turning into a hero and the D were superb on 3rd down all night.

Kelly Green shoots appearing

Itssoeasy · 17-01-2022 9:31pm

Well another season down and while I’m not overly shocked at we lost because it was Tom Brady and tampa bay, the way we played was really annoying. I don’t know whether it was the fact it was his first playoff game or what but Jalen Hurts has a really poor game. Devonta smith should have been targeted more yesterday but for some unknown reason he wasn’t and even Troy Aikman was mentioning it constantly. Jalen reagor needs to be traded/cut because for some reason he’s going backwards in his development. The O line was okay from what I remember. The defense was woeful. Save the terrible roughing the passer call early on Derick Barnett they got nowhere near the Tampa Bay players. There was shots on the coverage of the eagles defenders standing looking at the bucs players going past them.

Celtic_Eagle · 02-08-2022 11:43am

Well, any thoughts on the upcoming season? I think the Eagles are stacked in offense if JH can click with the receivers.

I am cautiously optimistic.....travelling to Philly for the MNF Dallas game so hoping they have some rhythm by then.

Itssoeasy · 03-08-2022 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119418438#Comment_119418438

Well I think its Jalen hurts last shot as they’ve given him the weapons on offense and the Oline should look good this year. I’m like you I’m cautiously optimistic about the upcoming season but it’s easy to optimistic in August, it’s more of a challenge in November and December when the team are making heavy going of a team they should be beating. Oh and the idiotic defensive penalties.

Celtic_Eagle · 08-08-2022 9:29am

Agree fully, it is the hope that kills us. They really need to more disciplined on the penalty count.

they have invested heavily in Hurts, Howie and Nick seem to really believe in him but i am like you, it needs to happen for him this season or it is back to the drawing board at QB as he will have no excuses if the rest of the pack can stay healthy.

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