Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I said in my first post that effectiveness ostensibly remains high against hospitalisation. I didn't delete that post.

Guys you're fundamentally misunderstanding what these studies are saying in the context of this conversation about hospitalisation. Most important to understand: these figures of 90% reduction do not describe a reduction in probability of infection/hospitalisation/death. Repeat, they are NOT a reduction in probability. They are relative risk reductions. If these figures were a probability, deaths would not be higher in October 2021, versus pre-vaccination October 2020, when up to 99% of adults are fully vaccinated in some counties. Deaths and hospitalisations would be ~90% lower, but they are not.

Secondly, any longitudinal study of risk that does not account for variants can now be disregarded. The Lancet study above shows why this is.

"Google it" to quote a phrase you used last night.

But eh not good

No, rising cases among unvaccinated . But it appears it's not cool to say that .

And increasing transmission then to vulnerable people who are getting less severe infections but still due to their vulnerability are needing hospitalisation , for short periods to get them over the hump , so to speak .

I think we are in for a rough winter in the health service as flu and other respiratory infections may be an issue as well this year , but apart from rolling out those boosters I don't see that extending restrictions will make much difference .

Maybe just asking at risk people to be careful until they get their booster ? And people still need to be careful and get tested if they have symptoms , and isolate until better ..that should be a given at this stage .

I can't believe that some people think it is ok at any stage not to be careful of transmitting any infectious disease , never mind Covid . Its basic really .

Cases are higher because of the mass testing and willingness of Irish people to get tested. They love getting tested.

That bold part is just lies I'm afraid

I imagine there'll be a climbdown on this. They're already extremely tentative in offices I'm in (must distance, wear masks at desks, capacity of ONE in some meeting rooms etc) so I imagine rising cases will dampen the push to return.

Yet An Taoiseach said today there are no guarantees, on foot of inputs he received from Dr. Ronan Glynn.

But you keep up your spoofing about Dáil votes and aliens.

You are quite comical at this stage.

We have something called an immune system to deal with these things. It's irrational to worry a lot about covid at this point or any other relatively mild respiratory illness unless you're actually in an at-risk group. Most people don't give a thought to the flu or the flu vaccine in a normal year, it's life.

Enough from the media & medics re ‘unvaccinated’ v vaccinated. Disgraceful rhetoric & complete lies. I keep hearing of fully vaccinated people sick & quite sick with Covid. It’s like they’re trying to find a target group to blame & use as an excuse for more draconian laws re vaccine passport.

How have Waterford & Carlow such high Covid incidence rates with the highest vaccination rates?

How has Ireland such high rates in comparison to our EU counterparts when the EU countries have less vaccination uptake? None of this is making sense.