Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

duploelabs · 07-10-2021 07:01AM

Apparently this is the livery

Thrashssacre · 07-10-2021 07:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117986651#Comment_117986651

That looks horrific.......

El_Duderino 09 · 07-10-2021 08:20AM

I think it looks great. As a one-off it's a lovely change.

AMKC · 07-10-2021 02:20PM

I also think it looks great. Can't wait to see it racing.

Frank Bullitt · 07-10-2021 02:47PM

That will be savage on track. I believe AT are running a special livery also.

flazio · 07-10-2021 03:46PM

From the side it just looks like they changed the blue to white, however head on you'll see the race numbers are in a Japanese Red Sun.

What I would have done is stylised the Red Bull logo into two oriental style Bulls charging into a Red Sun.

MadYaker · 07-10-2021 04:25PM

I dont like the way it looks but I never like red and white mixed on cars, the japanese script is cool though they should keep that.

Frank Bullitt · 07-10-2021 06:06PM

Also worth noting there is more news are RB and Honda in that their technical partnership now continues to 2023.

barryribs · 07-10-2021 06:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989439#Comment_117989439

Blasphemy

Frank Bullitt · 07-10-2021 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989439#Comment_117989439

Have you lost your bleedin mind pal???

AMKC · 08-10-2021 09:01AM

The FAI are testing out new gloves on five of the drivers at the Turkish GP. Lewis Hamilton, Sebastien Vettal Carlos Seinz, George Russell and Daniel Riccardo are all using these new gloves that are supposed to offer better fire protection than the current FAI F1 gloves and still give the drivers the feel they want. Be interesting to see what the drivers say about them.

flazio · 08-10-2021 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991841#Comment_117991841

But will they help the keeper against Azerbaijan tomorrow?

quokula · 08-10-2021 09:21AM

I think the livery looks great, it's just such a shame they don't get to run it in Japan.

It sounds like Honda are slowing down their retreat from F1 somewhat and maintaining a closer relationship with Red Bull than it seemed previously, probably due to the unexpected success of this year. They probably don't want a repeat of Brawn GP.

pjohnson · 08-10-2021 10:10AM

Some rumblings Zhou may be pricing himself out of the Alfa seat.

He wants a longer contract than Alfa want to offer. Alfa want to keep monitoring Pourchaire as they believe he is a genuine prospect and dont want to have that seat tied down.

Piastri may make it yet.

AMKC · 08-10-2021 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991894#Comment_117991894

Lol I meant the FIA. Not my fault they are so similar.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2021 04:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991918#Comment_117991918

They were never going to completely withdraw overnight. This transition was always in discussion as part of Honda's withdrawal. Joe Saward was talking about this transition 6 months ago. Red Bull doesn't have the expertise to just start building engines from scratch next year.

Dont be at yourself · 08-10-2021 09:15PM

Piastri seems like a genuine prospect, much more so than Zhou.

Rumours also of Andretti buying Sauber/Alfa, which might make a pay driver less necessary, and also pave the way for an American.

PopePalpatine · 08-10-2021 09:31PM

Andretti vs Haas is the wooden spoon fight we need.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-10-2021 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117995645#Comment_117995645

I mean, I want to be excited but I think you're probably right.

Joe saward is always talking about how team owners know they can run another racing team (like an indy team) well so they think they can run an F1 team, but that's not how it works. He says f1 has a unique culture which means it takes inside knowledge of F1 to make it work. But you'd have to think Andretti would have the kind of racing knowledge to make F1 work IF they have the budget.

Sauber is a great story of survival in F1 as a team who has never really achieved anything note and never really competed at the front. But it would be great if they were taken over by someone with a budget and racing knowledge who could make them competitive at/towards the front.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-10-2021 11:35AM

After a good start to to season, Perez has reverted to the mean of being an average driver. Nice guy, terrible qualifier, ok in races -bang average. Very lucky to sign his RB contract when he did. He might not have gotten a second year if he drove this poorly in the first half of the season.

He's well suited to the midfield teams. If he's Max's no.2 he needs to be towards the front once in a while. He can't influence anything from so far back on the grid. Bottas is criminally underrated in these threads. Once again he's at the front of the grid and even starting ahead of Max. He's a superior driver to Perez.

thefa · 10-10-2021 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118000443#Comment_118000443

Think criminally underrated is an exaggeration. He plays his second driver role well and given the choice, I think most would take Bottas over Perez. That said, think most would take Hamilton, Vertsappen, Norris, LeClerc, Alonso, Russell, Gasly, possibly Ricciardo & Sainz over him and would expect them to better his results in the Merc so he is middle of the pack ability wise.

I hope he gets a win before he leaves the team. Great opportunity today.

10-10-2021 01:41PM

As far as I can tell this is the first time Bottas has taken points from Verstappen all season aside from torpedoing him. Perez has been similarly poor.

barryribs · 10-10-2021 01:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118000987#Comment_118000987

I think thats more a result of Verstappen driving better and a much improved Red Bull this year than anything else. As bad as Bottas has been, the constructors is as good as lost unless Perez improves. Always seems to be on the back foot after Saturdays, having to gamble on strategy to get him into the mix.

quokula · 13-10-2021 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118000987#Comment_118000987

In fairness Hamilton hasn't taken points off Verstappen except by torpedoing him either in the last six months, last time he beat him in a direct race on track was back in Spain.

A more interesting statistic is that since Bottas announced he was going to Alfa Romeo, he's actually been the top scoring driver on the grid, ahead of both title contenders. The Mercedes is such an utterly dominant car at the moment and at Turkey, much like the sprint race in Monza, Bottas showed he can very easily win in that car when he's not being put in a situation where he's forced to sacrifice his qualifying or strategy to aid Hamilton or hold up Verstappen.

mickdw · 13-10-2021 12:29PM

Really Bottas is the man redbull need.

Perez isn't right where he needs to be all the time. Bottas would arguably be a tenth or 2 off Verstappen all year long and able to win when Verstappen can't.

Will be interesting to see him in the Alfa next year though.

barryribs · 13-10-2021 02:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013483#Comment_118013483

The worst thing to come out of the Netflix era of F1 is this toxic biased nonsense that people go on with. Hamilton is possibly the most dislikable driver in F1 but this garbage of Hamilton = Bad, Verstappen = Good is rubbish. Every driver, bar none, at their peak is a pain in the hole. Current fan favourite Vettel was despised when he was at Red Bull, primarily for dominating most weekends and mentally destroying Webber at every opportunity. Schumacher and Senna were amongst the dirtiest world champions ever and Prost was a political animal.

Captain_Crash · 13-10-2021 03:28PM

@barryribs I think the reason Hamilton is disliked more than the others is his insincerity! Vettel, Alonso, Schuey and the rest of them never hid the fact that at their respective peaks they were pricks! Infact I don’t think you can make it to the top of this sport without being a little bit c*nty!

Fans of the sport can see trough Hamiltons soapboxing!

El_Duderino 09 · 13-10-2021 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015037#Comment_118015037

Na. That's just the reason Hamilton is disliked and he's the current one at the top who is disliked. If the champion were different then the reasons to disliked him would change to suit the champion of the day. Hamilton isn't extraordinary, he's just the newest and current one.

Norris talked about mental health and nobody seems to dislike him for it. But if he were the dominant driver of the day then it would become a stick to beat him the same way discussing any issue can be used to beat someone if people want to find a reason to knock the person down. You can see people on boards say they are using whatever to curry favour or because it's cool to hold x, y or z position nowadays. The reasons to hate the guy at the top are perfectly adaptable to the driver of the day

barryribs · 13-10-2021 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015037#Comment_118015037

Hard to argue with any of that, but the point I was making is that Hamilton is not always in the wrong with what happens on track. When a racing incident happens, its not always a 'torpedo'. You'd swear the way people talk about Bottas that he's the first ever number 2 driver that has been sacrificed for the proven team leader.

Captain_Crash · 13-10-2021 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015708#Comment_118015708

Ah yeah of course, on track more often than not he’s in the “right”! The collision at Silverstone was his fault but all drivers make bad decisions here and there!

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