To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Well, let's see here, other actions include at the moment open windows, hand sanitiser at every door and in classrooms, pods, classes of the same year not allowed to mix, staggered pick up and drop off times for different classes. Is that enough "flapping" for you?

But I assume you know this already as you must have kids in primary school given your concern level? Otherwise your obsession with masking kids is a little unusual in my opinion. Are the rest of us parents morons who are putting all our kids in harms way?

Good case to raise the minumum age for wearing masks from 13 to 16.

If it ain't Covid maybe it's Long Covid then. Letting children infect themselves and others from an entirely preventable disease is wrong. We should be doing more to protect children from Long Covid.

SEPTEMBER UPDATE Long Covid in Children, ONS study.

• 53,000 UK children aged 2-16 currently experience #LongCovidKids
• That has increased by +15,000 since August
• 11,000 of them have experienced it for at least 12 MONTHS.

They'll no longer be mandatory in many situations from the 22nd (seemingly anyway, it's pretty vague). At least that's a step in the right direction.

Which is more than can be said of Italy, Spain and Portugal who have no plans to drop masks despite their high vaccination rates.

While some people have undoubtedly had some very bad after-effects, it's a post-viral reaction, something that is very common. These things can take a while to go anyway. It just never had a name before.

Children’s Hospital in Murdoch, children’s research institute recommended going back to school with the 3 V’s, Vaccinate, Ventilate and Vital cover safe steps. Masking is one of these vital safe steps.

Jane's entire speech at today's @VicGovDH Covid-19 press conference was excellent, and well worth watching: Fantastic to have government health officials speaking to the public so clearly and honestly about why we need masks, vaccines and #SafeIndoorAir.

The findings of the Childrens research insitute has zilch to do with the "extreme" enforcing(just cause AGS didn't do the heavy work) and anyway Australia is is the country that our Pandemic Influenza Expert Group developed our playbook on. Name one other country that has had more influence on our pandemic process.

The masking or non masking of our under 13s is an Expert Advisory Group thing first and foremost and then they present their opinions/research? to HIQA for a glorified rubberstamp before being presented to NPHET.

If you've never read or even glanced at both plans side by side, it's worth it. PDFhttps://www.lenus.ie/handle/10147/46714 LNKS below. Martin's "Expert Group" pretty much plagarized the Australian plan from 1999.

AUSTRALIA

IRELAND

Your conveniently side stepping the EAG there. They and they alone are presenting the argument to not mask under 13s to NPHET via HIQA.

It's impossoble for you to say that the EAG "have the expertise" and are making a call that "doesn't involve personal feelings" etc. The EAG did not produce any supporting evidence when making their original decision on 11th MAY 2020.

Nope, I've been pointing out we really don't care what Australia do or say. The EAG feed into NPHET, who have ultimately made the calls on advice to government and the fact is we don't advise it as policy so it's all moot in terms of our lives.

Nope.

From September 2020, HIQA provides "evidence based advice" in response to requests from NPHET. The advice provided to NPHET is informed by research evidence developed by HIQA’s COVID-19 Evidence Synthesis Team and with expert input from HIQA’s COVID-19 Expert Advisory Group (EAG).

The original decision from May2020 was not evidence based and it is not all moot in terms of our lives as cases will keep showing.

So you are saying that forcing masks on children will be short and sensible approach until vaccination is available?

Somehow I doubt it, in light of what already happened with adults. We were told this is only temporary until vaccines come and yet this temporary "advice" changed to semi permanent with fines attached. Even though vaccines are here for quite some time.

I can see new revenue stream for schools where teachers can fine little John for taking off or wearing his mask incorrectly. What an excellent idea to give our underpaid and overworked teachers and underfinanced schools a little boost. Two crows with one stone type of stuff...