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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 Pussyhands
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    The players shouldn't even be asked about it because it's not their decision to join the squad, they get chosen .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ceadaoin.
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    Some places, like Singapore and now Israel recommend no exercise for a week after vaccination, and for males under 30 in particular because of the risk of heart damage. Its obvious why athletes wouldn't want to risk a reduction in performance (and possible cardiac arrest) when they are at little risk from covid itself.



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    Doesn’t appear to have impacted Liverpool so much.

    Meanwhile, Callum Robinson got a second Covid infection, worse than his first one, after having had the opportunity to have had the vaccine. And myocarditis is far more common after Covid than vaccination.

    Emotive terms such as “heart damage” and “cardiac arrest” also deliberately exaggerate the risk. All the reports are that these instances associated with vaccines are overwhelmingly mild and those impacted recover fully with a few days rest at home



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  • Posts: 10,049 [Deleted User]
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    Just to follow up on on this - Callum Robinson is an example of someone with a relatively recent infection who got it a second time and was un-vaccinated.



  • Posts: 695 [Deleted User]
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    And male hair loss is very common too.

    Are the men in your family bald, if so unfortunately you will lose your hair too. It may be nothing to do with covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 seamus
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    "Man who sees a doctor once a week has more mild symptoms than man who only sees a doctor when he's sick".

    That's top-class reporting alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 is_that_so
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    1,207 new cases, 355 in hospital, up 12 on yesterday and 69 in ICU, down 1, 21 notified deaths in the last week to Tuesday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 Pussyhands
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    It's coming out from all over my head when I run my fingers through.


    I expect to get bald eventually but not at my age.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 is_that_so
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    Can you really say with any certainty when people are likely to go bald even if it's in the family? I mean, doesn't it depend on the gene set you have yourself? I knew someone at 19 who was losing his hair, a number of others whose hair dropped out in their late 20s and early 30s and a whole bunch of people who succumbed to it in their 50s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 Pussyhands
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    Guess not but I'd expect receding hairline first before quite a bit of hair falling out from all over my head.



  • Posts: 695 [Deleted User]
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    Sounds awful, I hope its temporary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 Nyero
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 I see sheep
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    It was 9 months later, the data points to about 9 months immunity after recovery so he was a bit unlucky to get it so soon.

    Him getting the vaccine now before next April/May certainly makes no sense.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 P.lane78
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    A new development on the Callum Robinson saga.... Brenda power on the tonight show said he should not be picked for the Irish team without a vaccine ...she failed to mention his natural immunity after covid infection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 Pussyhands
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    Even if he never had covid, he tested negative before joining anyways.

    the vaccine doesn't prevent spread so the unvaccinated are only harming themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 P.lane78
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    You are 100% correct ....I am intrigued as to where this all ends ....what's next, fat shaming over weight people, refusing hospital treatment to smokers. The risk of not taking the first version of the vaccine is 100 per cent on your own head (Granted the risk of clogging up hospitals is present). Increasingly the hospitals are already filling up with breakthrough cases in the vaccinated...and our hospital system was on the verge of collapse long before covid..If the vaccine stopped transmission then that would be a different story, but it doesn't. The primary function of the vaccines is to reduce the risk of death and serious symptoms and it achieves this well enough, until the effect drops off ... increasingly studies are saying this is 6 months ...I wonder what the uptake this winter for the influenza vaccine will be ...and will people be as enthusiastic about getting that ...the severity of the illnesses are not equal but the arguments for getting the vaccine are ....



  • Posts: 5,121 [Deleted User]
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    I think it is really interesting as well. Only a very few people will be getting boosters, and there’ll be no program of repeat vaccinations for the general population. So while for a few months there is a differential between vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of sickness and (arguably) transmission, in the longer term this diminishes substantially. So there’s hardly any defensible reason for treating an unvaccinated person any differently to someone who had a vaccination a year previous

    basically it seems to me like we’ve had a wave of vaccinations, which was all great in terms of lowering hospitalisations while more effective treatments are developed, but this is pretty much a one time thing and over the course of the next year or two, as the effects of the vaccines fall away, we ate literally all going to get Covid



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    One would suggest Callum Robinson is not a great advertisement for natural immunity



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 P.lane78
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    Also blows the herd immunity argument out of the water .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 SupplyandDemandZone
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    My wife was really sick with it 2 weeks ago as in we may have to ring the ambulance sick. Fully vaccinated last April as a front line medical worker. I believe if she wasn't vaccinated she would have ended up in hospital and God knows what from there. I got tested and also had it with zero symptoms.

    We are all catching this eventually anyone thinking they won't is fooling themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 manniot2
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    How do you know she would have been worse without vaccine? "I believe..." talk about being brainwashed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 I see sheep
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    He's got better immunity than anyone who's never had Covid but is vaccinated.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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    It has taken a very, very long time but at least the penny is finally starting to drop for most people. Covid is going nowhere.

    We can't keep borrowing money to pay for rolling lockdowns that are ultimately achieving nothing but kicking the can down the road.

    People are vaccinated now and its the best we can do.

    Instead of handing out bonuses, we should really use that money to ensure services are in place to help people that are afraid to reintegrate into society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 is_that_so
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    Study that suggests that inexpensive HEPA filters could help in hospitals.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 seamus
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    The difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated doesn't diminish to zero over time though. While resistance to the infection diminishes, protection from severe infection (i.e. hospitalisation) remains strong and none of the data thus far indicates that we should expect this protection to disappear in the medium-term.

    This is a feature of the immune system in how it evolved. It protects against infection initially to prevent spread amongst the community, but maintaining an active immunity is costly to the organism, so the active immunity reduces, but the ability to fight off the infection remains, thus protecting the organism longer-term.

    The reality is that as time moves on, unvaccinated people are at even higher risk than they were previously, because the infection will circulate at far higher rates in the community. Vaccinated people remain protected and may experience a slight illness. Thus, the best way to reduce the pressure on hospitals is not to re-vaccinate everyone, but to target those who are not vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Tired332


    What **** did I just read here. If you stand by the vaccine and say it is much better than natural immunity then explain why Israel is on its fourth booster program in less than a year. Health officials have said the effects of the initial Covid-19 shots weaken five months after inoculation, making boosters necessary. If you are happy to keep getting it take it. But I won't be does that make me anti vaccination now. You say "target those who are not vaccinated" funny how the media started to do that just this week and seeing as the vaccine immunity is gone within 5months there will be a lot of unvaccinated targets in the future, here you are are jumping on the bandwagon. Looks to me you are easily manipulated by the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 seamus
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    Lol. "I get really angry about the suggestion that I should be vaccinated, but I'm not anti-vaccination".

    Any road, I've no idea what Israel is at. Part of their approach is aimed at gathering data as much as it is about suppressing infection.

    We know that natural immunity is moderately more protective in the short-term than vaccine immunity, but we also know that getting infected is considerably more risky than getting vaccinated. Therefore on balance, vaccination is preferable to waiting to get infected in order to "get" your immunity.

    If someone has already been infected and choose not to getting vaccinated, then that's no big deal. But someone who has not been infected and chooses not to get vaccinated, is going to be at considerably higher risk of hospitalisation and death in the coming months, and therefore we should be targetting them most aggressively in order to reduce the burden on the health system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,471 astrofool
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    Vaccine significantly reduces spread, that's one of the big advantages of vaccines, R remains low among the vaccinated community and the virus dies off naturally as it has nowhere to go. Only blithering imbeciles champion being infected over getting a vaccine first.

    There's a ~95% chance that the symptoms were less than if they weren't vaccinated.

    Not true, it will depend on the severity of infection and immune system response of the individual.



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