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03-10-2021 03:12PM

Most managers have a team, that they bring with them when they move clubs, pretty much any manager at a decent level will have a few guys, be it the assistant or a couple of different coaches.

Ole took what he had at United, brought back mike phelan? Why cause he either doesn't know what a good coach does or he doesn't know any good coaches.

It's just another indication of his level which is amateur.

Drumpot · 03-10-2021 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970505#Comment_117970505

Ole hasn’t been the clubs Problem since 2013. If they had the perfect structures in place Ole wouldn’t be manager, ever.

Ole happens because the owners haven’t a clue or a plan.

In terms of taking Glazers over Saudis , I’d agree, but it’s not really really relevant to the points I’m making.

StringerBell · 03-10-2021 03:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970184#Comment_117970184

In all fairness, I'm not going to read all of that because I assumed it was something for me but it seems to veer off into the usual tangent re the owners that has been seen time and again.

I'm still gonna have pizza waiting for you on Thursday ❤️

ceegee · 03-10-2021 03:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970102#Comment_117970102

Anybody who dreams of having owners who sack managers like Watford do, needs to have their head examined.

In the last 10 years, Dyche, Zola, Sannino, Junyent, McKinlay, Jokanovic, Flores, Mazzarri, Silva, Garcia, Flores (again), Pearson, Ivic, and now Xisco haven't worked out, but I'm sure that this time, changing their manager will bring them success and stability.

TRC10 · 03-10-2021 03:43PM

The owners aren't going to change. They literally own the club. Moaning about them couldn't be more futile.

If people really cared about the Glazers, they'd stop lining their pockets by going to games and buying merch. But they do, so clearly people don't mind them that much.

Managers can change and frequently do. We have the best squad in the league being managed by a championship level manager.

Great squad+great manager=trophies

03-10-2021 03:52PM

Glazers are overall a drain on the club, but they have still pumped almost half a billion into Ole's project. I fail to see how they are responsible for the utter lack of coaching which is evident in the majority of our games. How Ole can only win 1 of 4 matches at home when 3/4 games are against mid-table quality teams, while we're fielding world class players in multiple positions or subbing them on to try and swing a result. Looking at 2 possibilities, not the only possibilities, but what some are suggesting...

1) We change manager, keep the owners. Do the football and results change for the better?

2) We change owners, keep the manager. Do the football and results change for the better?

I would imagine that 'yes' is a far more likely answer to 1 than 2. Unless the owners are dictating that Ole has to play certain players or play a certain way. From Ole's benching of Pogba and CR7 though, it doesn't seem that he is contractually mandated to start anyone. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that in a similar vein, the owners are not directing him to produce some of the worst football in the league.

Some who are dismissing the benefits of a new manager are opining that we'll merely get a bounce and then return to square one. However, only one United manager post-Fergie has gotten that bounce, and it was Ole. Jose had 3 losses in a row within his first 7 competitive games as United manager. LVG had 2 losses, a draw and a win in his opening 4 games. So this "Great...a new manager will come in, get the bounce, and return to square one eventually" is barely a valid opinion, let alone anywhere near a fact-based projection.

Never mind the fans, many pundits have been saying that this is now the season where Ole and his coaches have nowhere left to hide. They are saying this because we are at the point where Ole has had 3 Summer transfer windows to tailor his squad and £400m at his disposal i.e. Ample time and resources compared to other managers in the modern game. They are saying this after a Summer where he signed Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo. They are saying this because Ole has had more time, leeway, patience and investment than any of Moyes, LVG and Jose before him.

Ole has been good for the club in several ways, I honestly believe that, but I think he has long reached his ceiling as a coach by now. After 3 years of multiple lulls, poor semi/final showings, consistent "1 step forward, 2 steps back" phases, I think it's fair to say that I believe a better manager will get much more out of this quality squad, no matter who our owners are.

I honestly hope I'm wrong, would love if someone dug this post up at the end of the season when Ole wins us the league or CL, I'd eat that humble pie all day long and ask for seconds. However I unfortunately can't see anything apart from another trophy-less season at Manchester United, and by now this will be 100% on the manager and his coaches.

Drumpot · 03-10-2021 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970676#Comment_117970676

Who is ignoring the Ole issue? You might want to step off that soap box , that’s nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

It’s ironic that you say “some people are so obsessed with the idea that the glazers are the biggest problem” because they are ones who hired Ole and keep him in his job. It suits them to keep Ole hired. If they put an inanimate carbon rod in charge , would you be angry with the Rod or the owners? Whose fault would it be that “in rod we can’t trust”?

Drumpot · 03-10-2021 05:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970961#Comment_117970961

I agree. I’m still not sure why people are acting like I’m making some staunch defence of Ole.

KurtBarlow · 03-10-2021 05:48PM

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You really think our midfield is good enough to win the league . Really?

03-10-2021 05:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971258#Comment_117971258

My general take on your posts recently continue to deflect to the owners and and move away from the primary issue that can easily be addressed right now.

Sacking the manager and hiring a better one to take control of an excellent squad in a time where we still have a chance at challenging for honours

People who were holding blind faith that this Ole fantasy would work out are waking up to this finally along with the rest of us who knew how inept he is as a manager a long time ago

A general comment but It's ok to be wrong. The pizza is ordered whenever these folks want a slice

KurtBarlow · 03-10-2021 05:56PM

If Conte took over I think he's try this formation /team

De Gea

Varane Mcguire Lindelof or Shaw

Sancho Matic Pogba Shaw or Telles

Greenwood Fernandes Ronaldo /Rash

El Gato De Negocios · 03-10-2021 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971415#Comment_117971415

We are missing a DM, a decent manager would be able to make the most of the wealth of talent that's at their disposal in every other area of the field. We may not win the league without a DM but we could give it a bloody good crack. We've played nobody of note to date and have struggled in most of the games, that's primarily on the manager.

03-10-2021 06:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971415#Comment_117971415

It's good enough that we should be top of the league right now and be leading our CL group

It's good enough to beat Everton at home

It's good enough to beat Young boys

It's good enough to beat Villa at home

It's good enough to beat Southampton

And yes even with the midfield it's good enough to challenge for honours

El Gato De Negocios · 03-10-2021 06:07PM

Leicester

Atalanta

Liverpool

Spurs

Atalanta

City

Next 6 games.

I dread to think what we'll be like at the end of that run. 🤮

TRC10 · 03-10-2021 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971554#Comment_117971554

Having a better manager hopefully

channelsurfer2 · 03-10-2021 06:22PM

Maybe ole is watching this match today and might get ideas about how to play real football and manage a team much as I hate either side on display

TRC10 · 03-10-2021 06:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971634#Comment_117971634

The only thing Ole needs to do is leave.

He's had 3 years to learn and he hasn't done it.

Lord TSC · 03-10-2021 06:30PM

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Yes.

Every team has a weak spot, but we are stupidly strong in every other area. We have an attack and a back line that is incredibly strong, and have plenty of midfield options.

The biggest issue is that we also play a formation that massively exposes our biggest issues in the squad. We play a formation which needs two holding midfielders, despite only having one in the squad (and he’s so old, we can’t play him regularly). The team, properly coached, would be well able to be dominating smaller teams.

I think Fred and McT are a weak point, but I also don’t think they are anywhere near as bad as some push. I think they’re a better midfield than some we’ve played recently, but the tactics are highlighting every single issue and covering none of them.

JRant · 03-10-2021 06:33PM

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How both these teams move the ball is light-years away from what Ole wants though. The slickness in how the move from back to front isn't what Ole wants. Look at the movement for the Liverpool goal alone. That's from hours of practice and knowing where your teammates should be. We don't do that. In fact, we often look like 11 players thrown together who've never played with each other. There's no interplay or anticipation in almost anything we do. It's pedestrian, predictable, and slow.

JRant · 03-10-2021 06:40PM

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Whatever about Fred (and I'm not his biggest fan) he can do a job when played a certain way. I doubt McT gets into any other midfield outside of the bottom 6 teams in the PL, even then I have my doubts.

ziggyman17 · 03-10-2021 06:42PM

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End game time for Ole after that run, If we are still in touching distance of the league and Champions league group then on we go, if we are cut a drift then it is time for a change, for what it is worth, I think we will be bang in the mix after that set of fixtures.........

03-10-2021 06:47PM

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And yet he's outperformed a 100m player in that position for 3 or so seasons now. Amazing really.

pjohnson · 03-10-2021 06:58PM

I think McTominay will always just be seen as a "statement by Jose" for some.

nullzero · 03-10-2021 07:02PM

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Realistically, with the players at his disposal he should be top of the table now.

As things stand, all the sides close to and at the top of the table have been dropping points like they're going out of fashion, if Solksjaer can't capitalize on that situation and produce the big results that are needed, he really should, even at Glazer run Manchester United, be getting the sack.

billyhead · 03-10-2021 07:10PM

Roberto Mancini would be a good manager and would get the absolute best out of the players we have. If we sacked Ole and made a move for him I reckon he would be very interested in going back to day to day management.

Drumpot · 03-10-2021 07:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971433#Comment_117971433

Who was wrong ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/108926356#Comment_108926356

This seems to happen all the time when Man United managers get sacked. You guys go off on the manager, I complain about the owners and you guys act as if I have been the managers biggest champion.

I didn't think Ole should of worked on any level if I am honest. I thought he did relatively well in relation to what anybody could of expected of him. I was hoping that having a higher quality team would of meant he could get relatively better results, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Even if Ole is sacked, I still think he did a solid job and dont believe United would of been winning any EPLs or CLs under any other manager the last few years.

I just think I have more patience then others with United managers and less patience for the conditions they have to work under. What good is spending a couple of hundred million with no plan and a poor recruitment process? I want whoever is United manager to have the best chance possible of succeeding with whatever is spent, I do not see that happening.

Where I do and have agreed is that this squad is in better nick for a new manager to take over. I have never disputed that, more disputed how we can trust the idiots who keep making bad decisions about managers and everything else football related to make the right decisions on the same issues that need fixing.

The Big Easy · 03-10-2021 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971192#Comment_117971192

This is pretty flawless logic tbh. The problem are those that appointed Ole plain and simple. There wasn't a United fan in the world that wanted Ole as manager. Yet Woodward and the Glazers hired him and gave him two new contracts.

The Big Easy · 03-10-2021 07:27PM

And they're the reason he's still in the job.

To think Ole is at fault for cashing his cheque and believing in himself is ludicrous imo

TRC10 · 03-10-2021 07:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117971824#Comment_117971824

To be fair, the recruitment since 2019 has improved a whole lot from the scattergun approach from 2013-2018.

AWB, Maguire, Bruno, DVB, Sancho are very much in the profile of players we should be targeting. Varane and CR7 were opportunist signings and we were right to get them given the prices we got them for.

We're also now signing players for positions of need (CB and RW this summer) and all of the noise suggests we're targeting a CDM as our no.1 priority next summer

I'm hoping this continues under the new manager, with Fletcher and Murtough in place.

The overall philosophy and recruitment plan of a club shouldn't change with a new manager, but that's what happened under Moyes, LVG and Jose. It was a completely different direction every 2 years. I'm hoping this has now been rectified.

We shouldn't bend to the philosophy of the new manager, the manager should be willing to work within the philosophy and plan of the club

Zeek12 · 03-10-2021 07:40PM

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I think people are reading a little too much into these fixtures. Leicester have had a poor start to the season and are defensively even more vulnerable than us. They're giving up a lot of soft goals.

Spurs very inconsistent and can be beaten.

Oles league record vs Pep is very good. Plus he has a habit of getting big results when under pressure. I don't think we will necessarily lose against City

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