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Mobile phone mast

  • 27-09-2021 8:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭


    Has anyone any experience of allowing a mast to be erected on land?

    Seems like the mobile companies outsource the site acquisition to a third party who then either rent it to the mobile company or build the mast and rent space on it.

    Has anyone dealt with companies like this recently?

    What sort of money are we talking.....what are pros and cons?


    Obviously our family have been approached regarding such a mast.

    Very early stage so haven't got much info from the company yet


    Thanks in advance



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    It's lucrative for you for what's involved. Also it depends on the status of the mast, as in is it servicing a town or just plugging a black spot on the map. Most high status masts are already in place by now but even so you could still be looking at 10k-15k/year

    I ended up with a mast on my place only because the original place they wanted to put it was objected to by the locals. I met the farmer in question one day at the mart, he went on to tell me about the campaign that went on against the mast and him, it was a bit of a horror story and a bit of an eye opener.



  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    That's interesting. I was wondering do People still have objections to them or was that an early day thing when people had concerns about the dangers of EMR.

    That is pretty lucrative tho. Was your location more remote or did your neighbors just not care?

    Can people still object to the planning permission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    I used to work for a company that build the masts and do the acquisitions. I think its fairly straightforward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    People object about them and then give out about no phone coverage. We have rebounders here for years. There's a bit of messing going on this year with the new companies who deal with the payments. You're not dealing with eir etc anymore. Staff continually changing too that you're dealing with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭alps


    Do swallows live or hunt in the vicinity of the mast? We put in a router system between the house and yard for calving and office use. Since then the swallows have stopped nesting in the yard. They are still active in the fields, but don't know where they nest now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    So it is a lease contract that is renewed every few years?

    What would happen down the road if you wanted the mast removed for some reason?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    ABOUT 10000/year plus something for extra aerials. 20yr lease and increases with the Consumer Prices Index /cost of living index, can't remember which.

    I'd say once you sign up you're locked into it, It'll be sold as part of the farm here, sure it's another income stream



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Payment every 6 months here. We have 3 of them. Being updated this year, all of them. My dad gets all the money from them. Ours are rebounders not masts so not as much money as stated above but a nice sum all the same. Contract is 8 years on the most recent here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    It is in the middle of a forestry so no neighbors to object. Only hassle I had was with the dept of Ag who recouped forestry payments for the mast and service road they built, yes the land the road used!!

    It's a lease contract; originally it was supposed to be for 15 years but they upped the offer by a few quid to get right of renewal on the lease so basically it's there for ever. Payments stay the same (index linked) paid twice per year.

    Family reckon I could have gotten more, idk so much they had a set figure and didn't budge plus they always had the option of selecting another site belonging to Coillte. In the end they 100% did what they said they would when it went ahead. The only downside I see is maybe if they ever went to do wind-turbines in the area I'd probably miss out now, but as far as I can tell there won't be.

    In fairness it's money for jam, I hope you do well out of it too, but be prepared for hostility if theirs neighbors about.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    No problems here with it.in fact most neighbours would be looking for better coverage now.like most say wouldn't make you rich but there's no work in it either.most new sites wouldn't be high value I'd say now adays as they only filling out black spots now



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  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    Jezus I would put it in the yard if I thought it would keep the swallows away!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    Thanks for all the information guys, it's very helpful.

    In fairness we are the closest to the mast. So it will be a balance of asethetics and money!!!

    I don't think it's worth making enemies for though.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Like a WiFi bridge? Highly doubt it put the swallows off, we've 5Ghz bridges here with 2.4Ghz Access Points. Plus other IOT mesh networks working at 868MHz-2.4Ghz and the swallows nest under them above them or just manage to sh1t on them for sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    idk, I used to have a similar issue with the swallows nesting, and come to think of it they have gone now too since I put up a wifi bridge to the sheds. The other reason could be the wholesale netting of swallows that has been going on in north Africa with the advent of cheap netting from China.




  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    Probably a stupid question but why do they net swallows??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    For food I'd imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Only heard the cuckoo call once this year, probably more meat on them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    That's what I was hoping wouldn't be the answer!!!!


    Thankfully alot seem to be getting through , based on the amount of them round out place



  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    Think we been taken for a ride based on the offer made to us!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭RaggyDays


    Are you sure it's a Mobile phone provider, as most of the mobile masts are in place with a few years. It could be one of them Internet providers like BBnet. They're as tight as ducks arses



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    One company offered me a one off 30000 for thirty year lease..... what world were they in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We had a crowd at the same last year. We arranged to meet them at our site. No sign of them. They rang saying they went to a townland of the same name in a different county. You'd think if they were serious they'd at least know what county you're in



  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    That's interesting... i changed from cable broadband to wireless a few years ago... i used to allow put as many nests on one gable of the house as they wished and usually 10 /12... This year one nest... could it be the signal i wonder...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Itold them that it wasn't enough and I would only do an annual payment, never heard from them since



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I cannot figure what you are saying... was the objection agains the mast or was it personal begrugary agains the person...

    The reason i ask is a relative of mine is thinking of planting native Irish trees in a couple of acres of land and he has 5 objections from neighbord. Two of the people objecting have trees very close to their houses and objecting to something be 150 meters from them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Some fella in a bit of a hole with his finances would take the hand off them though!

    We had a crowd out that wanted to put a mast up around 20 years ago. There was a fair bit of hassle with objectors back then so the oul lad didn't want the stress. Our neighbour was approched and put one in, got a great access road put in too.

    Regret it now, it'd be a handy few quid for the folks retirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    5G needs lots more masts, they cover less area so more are needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    It was more a fear of the signals from the mast at the time. There used to be stories of how there was radiation from the mast etc I didn't experience it first hand but I remember lads scare mongering saying that if yo lived near them they could rot your brain. some people took it serious enough and still do.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    Think it's the sh*te you look up on the phones that get the signal from the mast that rots your brain!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    Sure a lump sum would be swallowed up by the tax man surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    5g only needs more masts now because they are using the highest mobile frequency available, the 3.6 GHz band, probably more suited to urban and fixed wireless reception. Big Comreg spectrum auction coming up, including the 700MHz band, this is one of the EU's 5G pioneer bands earmarked for immediate 5g rollout. The 700 MHz band consists of low frequency spectrum which by virtue of its propagation characteristics is particularly well suited for providing wide-area and indoor mobile coverage from existing masts. The winning bidders should have access to the spectrum from next spring.

    Also, technical conditions and regulations for the rollout of 5g in the existing 900/1800 MHz bands are in development, current 2g/GSM services may be gone by the end of the decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I got a great story for you. Two Bachelor farmers in Co Waterford (Now both long dead), got one of the first offers from Eircell (part of Telecom Eireann). The offer was very lucrative with a continuous rolling contract but there was no way the brother could agree. The was no road to the site where the mast was to be, between Waterford and Dungarvan. Eircell was not dissuaded at all. Eircell paved a proper tarmacced road from the farm front, quarter of a mile into the farm. God bless them, it would put any county council road to shame.

    The farmers were thrilled and thanked Eircell, but they werent sure about the mast now with all the locals objecting. They decided not to go with the farm and to prove they were good sports about it, they werent one bit bitter about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I remember in the 1990s the campaign against MMDS (Multipoint Microwave Distribution System) masts. The word microwave, was associated with cooking food, or people if they lived close enough to an MMDS transmitter site. In time MMDS became Multichannel Multipoint Distribution System/Service, removing the word microwave from the description of the technology.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    20 years & more ago, when few had mobile phones what you say (aside from rotting the brain) was talked about.

    Never hear so much as a whisper nowadays about it.suppose it would be called disinformation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    There are objectors to 5g masts, claiming they lower the immune system, linking them with the spread of covid. Confronting installers, some masts have burned down

    Post edited by Lime Tree Farm on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    If I'm in the field were our rebounders are I have full bars of coverage but phone won't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Too close to the mast, the carrier signal passes over you.

    Same happens with TV transmitter, you could be in close proximity to a transmitter but get no reception.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I know what your talking about as one went up in the general area where my brother lives unknown to my activist sister-in-law.

    Iused to rise her by saying... i would not like to live beside one of them things with the flashing light...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Change in UK law, giving land owners concern regarding rental income. Law putting telecom networks on the same footing as water and electricity installations.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭bunderoon


    I'm curious on that point.

    What are the tax implications if a mast was put on your land?

    What do you declare it to revenue as and how what would the tax rate be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭alps




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    One thing about phone masts and wind turbines for that matter is that technologies come & go. There's a rush to put them up and money in it and so on. But what happens when the technology is superseded by something cheaper and/or with a new set of grants? The boyos who put them up tend to disappear, the companies have been sold on, liquidated etc. The TV Deflectors are an example of this - all the rage in some places when public wanted better reception by TV aerials. TDs elected on basis of them. Where are they yokes now? Slowly rotting and rusting away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So what ?

    Should people not make money off them while the going is good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,009 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    If it was me, I'd take the upfront lump sum. If the company went bust in a few years, at least you'd have been paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There's that and also the consideration that you might be left with a mess to clean up, expensively. These tech companies live for the here & now - make their money and onto the next thing. So it's a risk to weigh up, that's all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,009 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    I think he/she means that if you enter a long term lease, it may not be long term if the technology changes. They'll hardly continue to pay you for something they don't need. Which is why I think an upfront lump sum is better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    The companies are getting harder and harder to deal with. The only thing is they need our site as coverage drops without it. The last negotiations we had a few weeks ago, we left them with the comment you need this site more than we do, they were back quick enough with an offer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭eire23


    With turbines it will be written into the contract about decommissioning. It won't be left to the land owner to deal with that. Just make sure you know exactly what your getting before you sign up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes.... and the small print would be essential. Who exactly is responsible for decommissioning and restoration. Companies with limited liability have a habit of being liquidated when it suits them or their parent companies. Once there's no longer money to be made in something, enthusiasm for spending wanes. It's reasonable to assume that the likes of the ESB or Bord na Móna will still be about but other private wind energy or telecoms companies, maybe less so?



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