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Conspiracy about the flat earth conspiracy - Thread bans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    There is money to be made in the flat Earth society by the top guys - sell the merchandise etc..


    I doubt they actually believe it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I joined an FB group called flat-earthers for Jesus, thinking it would be fun. Reader, it was not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There are a hardcore of flat earthers who are becoming so confident in their theory that they're talking about doing experiments that will empirically prove them correct. I think it was prominent flat-earther Mark Sargent who was talking about getting a team together to go find the giant ice wall at the edge of the flat earth which is held by current scientific consensus to really be the polar regions of the round earth.

    At the end of the documentary, Behind the Curve, in which Sargent features, they actually do an experiment to try and prove their theory which consists of shooting a beam of light through a hole in two separate staffs, each standing a few miles apart. If their theory holds, the beam of light should be directly observable through the hole of the staff on the far end, proving the earth is flat and not curved. I don't think it's a huge spoiler to say the experiment proves problematic in getting the finding they wish to achieve, leading to great perplexity among the team.

    The other experiment involved using a laser gyroscope to disprove the rotation of the earth,

    One of the more jaw-dropping segments of the documentary comes when Bob Knodel, one of the hosts on a popular Flat Earth YouTube channel, walks viewers through an experiment involving a laser gyroscope. As the Earth rotates, the gyroscope appears to lean off-axis, staying in its original position as the Earth's curvature changes in relation. "What we found is, is when we turned on that gyroscope we found that we were picking up a drift. A 15 degree per hour drift," Knodel says, acknowledging that the gyroscope's behavior confirmed to exactly what you'd expect from a gyroscope on a rotating globe.

    "Now, obviously we were taken aback by that. 'Wow, that's kind of a problem,'" Knodel says. "We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for ways to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."

    Despite further experimental refinements, Knodel's gyroscope consistently behaves as if the Earth is round. Yet Knodel's beliefs seem unchanged when discussing the experiment at a Flat Earth meetup in Denver. "We don't want to blow this, you know? When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro. If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad. It would be bad. What I just told you was confidential," Knodel says to another Flat Earther in attendance.

    Going back to Sargent, he's a good example of someone who has so much invested in the theory that it would be extremely difficult to walk away. The theory has given him notoriety and respect and employment, albeit within a small fringe community, and even a potential love interest with a woman also heavily involved in the movement.

    But for people who are merely followers, I think it's really just a case of mental illness and/or a need to challenge the accepted realities about the world in which we live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves



    He also presented it in the form of a comic dialogue which ridiculed the Pope of the time as a simpleton, annoying him and his supporters the Jesuits. Galileo had a lot of enemies among other scientists and they helped put the boot in too.

    My favourite Galileo quote is when he said that a Barbary steed can outrun a hundred wagon-pulling horses (meaning that he was smarter than every other scientist and intellectual in Italy combined).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭rtron


    No need, Professor Des Walsh has already done this. He's got this covered and has brought back undeniable proof of flat earth, but is not allowed to share the information.

    https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/today-fm/irish-scientist-set-to-prove-that-the-earth-is-flat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    this guy? the article reads like it belongs on Waterford Whispers news


    some highlights:

     From Flat Earth theories to arguing women should only play sport in the summer months, Walsh has come in for a lot of criticism. He has also spouted views such as Australia does not exist, gravity is an illusion, cats are aliens and that there is a worryingly high rate of infidelity amongst penguins.


     He reckons I can’t prove it even though I saw the edge of the earth with my own eyes in the South Pole. Sure my phone fell off the edge so I couldn’t take a picture. That’s how close I was. All these people selling globes are making money from lies


    Then I was in ahead of the closing date on Saturday, May 4, and over the weekend I started to get worried about actually doing well and undermining the political system. So I tried to pull out but couldn’t



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I watched Beneath the Curve over the weekend. It was equally hilarious (trying to faff off why their experiments proved the earth was a globe) and depressing at the same time (12 year old at the conference). Ultimately the conclusion I came to was that it was all about making money. The people pushing it in the states sell every kind of memorabilia, and non-refundable conference tickets. So the conspiracy is by those in positions of influence to garnish more and more money from foolish people who believe their lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    no they didnt invent it, the only thing the governments are guilty of is playing along with the notion that the earth is a spinning ball of rock rotating around another hotter ball of rock, spiralling through a vacuum, that people in Australia stand upside down and that if you dig deep enough you will come out at the other side with sky above your head

    LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    whats ludricous about it?


    An infinite vacuum of space isnt ridiculous?


    And they are not pictures, they are images, there is a big difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    the horizon concept of ships disappearing into it has been debunked, there is evidence to show that even after they disappear with the naked eye, they can be zoomed in with a good lens miles out when in the globular theory should be well below the curvature



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I don't suppose you happen to know where one could find that evidence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    just because they "appear" to sink over the horizon, doesnt mean they actually do


    Its a simple experiment you can do yourself.

    Watch a ship disappear over the horizon and get a good zoom lens and zoom out. It will instantly come into view


    If you live in Ireland can you see whats over the sky in Australia? Are your eyes that good?

    If you stand at the Cork County Council building in Cork and look west along the N22, do you think you could see someone 4.5km away at the other end before the road bends?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    They are just the modern versions of those evangelists who said to their followers that God says they should pay for his new private jet, and they did.

    There will always be thick people out there. There will always be easily led people out there. And social media has given a lot of nuts a platform to peddle their beliefs, whether they believe in them or not.

    eg David Icke, all that "the royal family are lizards" crap. I have no doubt he doesn't believe that, but that and all the other nonsense he has said over the years has made him a very rich man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Explain?

    How is it that in the 400m they start at the beginning and after doing one lap they end up back at the same place?

    Just cos you walk around the block and end up back in the same place, doesnt mean the block is globe

    You will also find that your smart phone wont work out in the ocean



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Who is being led here?

    The people doing research and asking questions or the people who just believe what they are being told?

    Its easier to just believe as it requires no logical thinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    I'd like to see you try it....

    You wont get very far when you hit the Antartica, its off limits and they dont allow any exploration

    Why is this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Of course. Do you believe Earth is not a globe? If so, what do you believe exactly? That it's flat/disc?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sorry, not sure what point you're trying to make here by dragging up a months old post?

    Are you seriously suggesting the earth is flat? Or are you just pretending to troll people?

    You already believe some very wild things, so I don't think you now suddenly being a flat earther is going to have the effect you think it does.


    No, when a ship goes over the horizon, zooming in doesn't make it come back. When it goes over the horizon it means that from your position, it has travelled far enough along the curve of the Earth to be blocked by the shape of the Earth.

    Here is a simple and clear illustration for you:

    You can also have fun and experiment with this yourself using a soccer ball and a ruler.


    If the world is flat and the night sky is something that covers it, then all of the night sky would be visible from all points on the discworld.

    When we look up at night, we see that there are stars from horizon to horizon and that these change over the course of the night. Similarly people in the southern hemisphere see this, but with stars that people in the northern hemisphere cannot and vice versa.

    The distance between Ireland and Austrailia makes no difference here. Your statement makes no sense.

    Could you perhaps explain how you believe this works in your view if you actually believe it are aren't just pretending to be a flat earther for some silly reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    I know its not a globe, its impossible, what it actually is I dont know as we cannot go further than the Antartica to see whats out there

    If you think the earth is a globe, explain to me how it manages to hold trillions of gallons of water on a ball?

    Explain Space and the Vaccum it supposedly has? it is impossible to have the earths pressurised atmosphere coexist next to a vacuum without a solid barrier to separate them, the earths pressurised atmosphere would immediately equilibrate with the a vaccum. Pressurised gas has to be contained within a solid barrier and a vacum has to be contained within a solid barrier

    Space does not exist, its not a conspiracy its physics proving it

    There are no genuine photos or film footage of the 'globe' earth , they are all photoshopped, composites, paintings or CGI, Research it

    Use Duckduckgo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Gravity holds the atmospheres of planets to their surfaces.


    Again man, what point are you trying to prove by pretending to be a flat earther?

    Do you not notice how the silly fake arguments you are using here to sound ridiculous don't sound all that much different than the agruments you use for the conspiracy theories you do believe in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    objects have been seen much much further out than what the globe earth maths say they can be seen

    There's mountains of video footage evidence showing this and its something anyone can do

    Why dont you see curvature when you look left to right but you assume its there going away?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Again man, you're pretending to be a flat earther for some silly reason.

    What point are you trying to make?

    You know you're only serving to discredit conspiracy theorists even further right?

    Either you're trolling and demonstrating that conspiracy theorist arguments are indistinguishable from a troll pretending to be a complete idiot.

    Or you genuinely believe this stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "If you think the earth is a globe, explain to me how it manages to hold trillions of gallons of water on a ball?"

    Gravity

    "Explain space and the vacuum it supposedly has"

    Space doesn't have air, so it's a vacuum

    "Is it impossible to have the earths pressurised atmosphere coext next to a vacuum without a solid barrier to separate them"

    The air thins. It doesn't just suddenly stop.

    "Space does not exist"

    So uh, what is up there? what is the moon? planets? stars? comets?

    "There are no genuine photos of film footage of the 'globe' earth, they are all photoshopped, composites, paintings or CGI, Research it"

    There are.

    So you believe we are on what exactly and how does it work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    so you think the horizon you see is every possible area of land around you?

    Your eyes can only see so far

    whether they be distorted by heat, clouds, land masses, fog etc

    Here's one video debunking the so called disappearing boats





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I'm still a bit skeptical. This guy has a habit of posting stuff that sounds obviously dumb to get a rise out of people. He seems to change his beliefs pretty constantly.

    However this would also be the case for a lot of conspiracy theorists who are easily lead into beliefs they don't question and who enjoy pretending to be an expert with secret knowledge.


    Either way, unless other conspiracy theorists start calling him out, they can't really complain about people comparing their beliefs to flat eartherism.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Did Markus log back in using the wrong account?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Gravity holds them? LOL

    How, explain gravity...Prove it

    and dont give me the apple falling off a tree explanation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    whats wrong? are you afraid to get into a debate with me again in case I make you look stupid in front of everyone?

    I never said I was a flat earther, I just dont believe the earth is a spinning globe covered in water held on by gravity

    The natural laws of physics dont support it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    This might be at some of your levels, a little bit of music to keep you entertained

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDkbPDCB4oo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Hands up here who thinks we have bendy oceans where water actually doesnt seek its own level and has nothing to contain it only "gravity"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol no man. I'm not in any particular fear of a guy who believes (or pretends to believe) the earth is flat making me look stupid.

    You're wrong however. The natural laws of physics only work with a globe earth.

    The reason you're claiming different (or pretending to for some reason) is because you're just simply ignorant of them.


    But if you don't believe the Earth is flat, what shape is it?

    How do you explain things like Australians seeing different stars and constellations?


    And again, do you not realise that posting this, either as a troll or as a genuine belief only serves to make yourself and your fellow conspiracy theorists look even more foolish?

    I've asked you this several times now. Are you afraid of giving an answer because it will make you look like a fool in front of everyone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Long experience on this forum has taught me to suspect what you are doing here is trying to lure people into "proving" stuff that you will never accept ;)

    If you want to understand how gravity works, in relation to all this "flat earth" stuff, here is an excellent video. It addresses all your "doubts" on the subject and more.


    If you aren't a parody account or trolling, and you genuinely consider the world is flat and space is "fake", feel free at any time to explain how that all works, in your own words. You don't have to "prove" it, just explain how it all works. What is the moon? how does day and night work? etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    "The natural laws of physics don't support it"

    You would think that actual physicists would have noticed this. I guess they are part of the conspiracy? Big if true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Here's a time lapse of the sun rise and sunset

    Now the earth is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles away from the sun, yet in this time lapse as the sun goes through its timeline it grows and shrinks

    and by a good proportion

    If the earth is supposedly this distance away, then you are not going to see a change in the physical size of the sun over the course of the day even from what their claims are that the earth is rotating, its just not physically possible



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    what natural laws of physics prove the earth is a globe?

    Where is the evidence?

    The photographs?

    I already said that I didnt know what shape it is, all I said was that I dont believe its a globe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol. Now, you're just dumping new tangents and video links to avoid things that have already been brought up.

    Again, it's kinda impossible to tell if you're trying to parody conspiracy theorists or if you genuinely think this is a good tactic.


    Either way, it's not helping you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    Are you allowing for the technology that captured the images, and the effect of light travelling through media of different density?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    What I said is that I dont believe its a globe and you are believing it is a globe, so if you believe it is a globe, then show me proof

    Explain how gravity holds down a skyscraper but a butterfly can wander freely in the air?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    water finds its own level and needs to be contained

    Show me this on a globe earth...!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Go take a physics course. Or watch some actual videos on youtube that are about physics rather than flat earth silliness.

    Do your own research.


    So you don't know what shape the earth is. Cool. We'll pretend that's something you genuinely believe. We'll assume you just aren't pretending to believe something like this.


    If the earth isn't a globe, why do all scientists say otherwise? Are they just all dumb? Or are they involved in a big conspiracy?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Skyscrapers don't have wings and butterflies are not made of concrete and steel.

    Was that a trick question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    what if Newtons apple had fallen over a bucket of water?

    It would have floated in the water...why doesnt gravity pull it down if it is that strong and can hold massive oceans?

    Explain ...!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    So if you have an object that has mass and drop it, would you all agree that it will fall to the ground?



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