All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

The study you posted about "natural" immunity from Israel also emphasizes multiple times that it is far safer for someone to be vaccinated than to be exposed to SARS-COV2 without a vaccine and that having a vaccine after infection also significantly boosts the immune system, the whole paper is basically pro-vaccine yet you are using it to back a "I won't take a vaccine view". The actual numbers post infection seem to be about 50% efficacy about 9 months after infection based on figures from the UK. Getting infected with a specific variant does offer better protection than vaccine against that variant in the future, but doesn't hold true for other variants, the very strong response generated by vaccines to the spike protein offers protection against all variants encountered so far, this also seems to be why SinoVac/Pharm (whole inactivated virus vaccines) aren't as effective as mRNA as the response they generated isn't as strong (and why some asymptomatic low viral load people can catch and develop severe COVID-19 reinfections as their body isn't sufficiently primed for a robust response to the virus).

I'm not denying your chances of severe disease due to COVID numbers per age group, but the fact is that the vaccines reduce the chances of this even further to negligible figures, people don't know if they are susceptible to COVID until they've had it and by then it's too late, it's not a roll of the dice, it's you will suffer a lot (or die) or you won't, in a room of X people, some predetermined people will develop severe COVID-19, the others won't, viral load is the other factor here and we saw young fit doctors and nurses die in the early days due to high exposure rates (which is something that you can't control).

Chance of dying in a car crash in a lifetime in Ireland is 240/1, when estimating chances, you have to account for the length of time for that event to occur, the chances of dying from SARS-COV2 due to exposure is greater than your chance of dying in a car crash on a particular day. The 110/1 figure is for people in the US over a lifetime (maybe you live there) but also shows where you are getting your sources.

In summary:

Your small risk of COVID-19 is made negligible by a vaccine.

The paper you quote says multiple times to get a vaccine.

Health experts and doctors all recommend getting a vaccine and have taken the vaccine themselves.

Billions of people have safely received the vaccine.

So, why specifically, given the rational numbers above, are you not getting a vaccine?

AND AGAIN, your original point was about giving money to pharma companies, so all of this is whataboutery, but please, clear this up precisely why you won't get a vaccine without going off on a tangent so we know to ignore you when you start talking about pharma companies again (for example).

AND accept that you are one of the reasons that restrictions are still in place, if you and others who can get vaccinated, would get vaccinated, our hospital numbers would be 50% less and we could open the country faster, YOU are driving the temporary measures.

Sorry you have dodged the question. You absolutely did bring up the side effects of the vaccine as a concern.

So please state the percentage chance of being hospitalized due to vaccine side effects.

Are they greater or lesser than the potential of being hospitalized due to covid?

Also you still haven't explained your rationale for ignoring the advice of doctors. What is it? Why are you reluctant to state it?

Chosing not to get the vaccine when you agree that it's safe. effective reduces harm and reduces risk and all for no reason is not rational. It's a bit ridiculous.

Remember also that getting the vaccine and reducing its circulation also reduces its chances of mutation. This was a concern a few posts ago.

Yea. It's weird how often we seem to hear from people who have had people they know personally adversely affected by vaccines.

A few months ago someone was claiming their friend dropped dead because of the vaccine.

Weird coincidence I'm sure.

Why is it easier? Because you don't have to go out and get it?

That's just plain laziness. You aren't getting the vaccine because you are lazy.

As you've said, you aren't bothered by the potential dangers of the covid, yet still go on about the side effects of the vaccine which has a much lower risk as you've agreed.

You aren't arsed to reduce the chances of it circulating in other people and you aren't actually bothered about the rate of mutation.

All your prior points are all undermined and rendered moot by the fact your real reason is just laziness and selfishness.

The rest of your post about drinking is just a nonsense tangent.

It's irrational, it's a lot of whataboutery to get around that at the centre of it all is an irrational person who can't come to terms with their irrationality, whose partner is more rational then they are and a big need to double down on it and post misinformation to get others into the same irrational boat as themselves to feel better about it.

However, all this started with a statement that all this was to generate money for pharma and even the person pushing that has given up on that tangent and is now just trying to big up the danger of vaccines while dismissing the dangers of COVID-19 entirely.

I don't think so, I think if someone was in front of them with the vaccine in hand, they'd probably refuse it, the question is whether it's a genuine fear of losing control or just doubling down on a wrong position and being happy to take the (good) chance that they'll be fine when they get infected with SARS-COV2.

If it was the laziness case, spreading misinformation wouldn't be part of it.

Anyway, 4 weeks till most measures dropped and the (willfully) unvaccinated will be faced with the consequence of not having a vaccine boosted immune system (and no international travel for them for the foreseeable).

The big worry is for those who can't get vaccinated and are susceptible, luckily the uptake has been so high in Ireland that the loons that didn't can be summarily dismissed as loons and hopefully don't impact on the opening up plans (50% less in hospital if they would get jabbed though).

You probably think this is "deep" . What it is is juvenile rubbish.

Yet again failing to have an original thought. Which grifter did you get that from?

What is the point you are trying to make? It refers to experimentation, not vaccines.

This is the position that Gortanna has fallen back to a while ago now.

He believes that masks will be permanent, but he can't explain why the conspirators want this. He can't explain what the conspiracy is. he can't even explain why mask wearing is an issue or in anyway a bad thing.

He has run away from every single one of this points.

Masks are just a straw he's clutching at because he doesn't want to just admit all the conspiracy theories have been wrong.

Surprise surprise, Ivor Cummins, an online Covid denier who's been brought up several times in this thread makes a significant amount of money for his anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine and Covid denial views

"Harmless", "They are just conspiracy theories", etc

Anyone find the article? ie non pay wall

So you just make up nonsense then is it?