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pinkypinky · 27-07-2021 12:43pm

Yes. I agree, but I think they're unlikely to agree to them being put on Rootsireland when they're already there for free. At one stage, there was nothing for Clare on the site but it's much improved. https://rootsireland.ie/clare/online-sources.php

rhapsody · 28-08-2021 7:42pm

Gosh it's quiet here these days!

I'm wondering if anyone has a trick for getting around an incorrect link on Irish Genealogy. The image link given for Cecily Christy's death in 1905 in Enniskillen goes to a page of Donegal records: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05579/4566873.pdf I've reported the error but I'm not sure how long it might take to be corrected.

pinkypinky · 28-08-2021 8:42pm

A little bird tells me that the record is misindexed as 1, should be 51 - see last entry Holywell no. 2 sub-district Oct-Dec

rhapsody · 28-08-2021 8:44pm

Aha! Thanks so much 😁

Mollymoo19 · 05-09-2021 1:03pm

This site has gotten awfully quiet of late. Never any craic, anymore. Anyone found / doing anything interesting, genealogy or otherwise?

Hermy · 05-09-2021 3:33pm

I don't know if it's just me but it just seems like Boards has lost its soul (for want of a better expression) since moving to the new platform.

At the same time, I finally found my birth father earlier this year and have been on an extended hiatus from research ever since, as the final months of that particular search were very demanding.

I'm currently reading Deirdre Barr's biography of Beckett which is a really good read.

Anyone else reading, listening to or watching anything good?

Jellybaby_1 · 05-09-2021 4:32pm

Mollymoo you're right, it's quite the desert these days. It's a pity really. But congratulations to you Hermy on finding your birth father, I know you've been slogging away for so long. I haven't been doing much research as every search produces zero results for me. I no longer have my Ancestry sub and I'm pretty disappointed in the Irish Newspaper Archives too. Wondering what to do next as I doubt if Findmypast will be any better.

Hermy · 05-09-2021 5:02pm

Thanks Jelly! Yes, just short of ten years since I began my search.

What disappointed you about the Irish News Archive?

Mollymoo19 · 05-09-2021 5:45pm

That is exciting, Hermy, congratulations and well done. I hope it brings you lots of joy and / or contentment.

The books I have on the go at the moment are Equine Sports Coaching (Alison Lincoln). I'm thinking of doing a course. Also Discovering Irish butterflies & their habitats (J M Harding) as there have been so many butterflies in the garden recently, I wanted to (re)learn their names.

I'm plugging away with a little research, though not finding anything too exciting. Jelly, have you done a DNA test? I did one at Ancestry and uploaded it here and there, and it's brought me hours of fun, and enough discoveries to keep me ticking over.

And I'm taking up Kundalini Yoga in a week or two - which should be a laugh, if not even a healthy pastime for the winter.

The joys...

Hermy · 05-09-2021 6:26pm

Thanks Molly. I think the overriding emotion at the time was relief but there has been much contentment too.

pinkypinky · 05-09-2021 6:59pm

Well done (in public) to Hermy - such a huge success along with all the emotion.

I've been quiet because I've been finishing my Masters.

The changeover to Vanilla on Boards has been a nightmare.

Jellybaby_1 · 05-09-2021 7:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117850179#Comment_117850179

The disappointment was due to the fact that I didn't find anything relating to my searches for my family. I was also checking a date of death of a neighbour of ours in the 1970's in Dublin which I couldn't turn up and I wondered if I was searching correctly. Any suggestions for doing that, i.e. for a 'Gerard Mongey' (not the real name) how would I enter it? I've tried 'Deaths-Gerard Mongey' also 'Deaths Mongey Gerard' and in desperation 'Deaths Mongey' and zilch came up!!

pinkypinky · 05-09-2021 8:25pm

Questions:

Is it possible there was no death notice placed in a paper?

Which newspapers were you looking in? I find the Indo and the Evening Herald best for Dublin.

Where you giving too narrow a field? I.e. if you know the year, just put the entire year in the dates field 1/1/1970-31/12/1970

Have you put in names of family members in the "might include" section? I also put phrases like sadly missed, deeply regretted, etc.

Have you checked that there wasn't a glitch on the site at the time? I saw someone mentioning finding no results the other day on Twitter and presumed a temporary fault.

VirginiaB · 06-09-2021 4:19am

Hermy, I just saw your post about finding your birth father after your long search. I am so glad to hear of your success and hope it brings you much satisfaction. Congratulations. Many here, including me, must be very happy for you.

Hermy · 06-09-2021 8:08am

Thanks Virginia.

Jelly

Despite their comprehensive coverage there are gaps in the Irish News Archive and your search might just fall into one of them.

When I'm searching for deaths I find entering a surname and place name works well.

If I have a good idea of when the event took place I will manually browse the notices paper by paper.

I still might not find anything but at least I'll know it's not down to the OCR missing it.

Garlinge · 06-09-2021 1:07pm

Delighted to hear your news Hermy, a great sense of completion for you, a very significant detail for your 'tree'. Just an idle query, what is the state of research facilities these days for example the Werburgh St BMD place and the Gilbert Room in Pearse Library? Being lazy of course so thought I would ask here. I heard that public libraries do not let you linger but just in/out with book.

pinkypinky · 06-09-2021 2:23pm

Don't know about the Gilbert, but the GRO is appointment only with no availability until October. However, I'd be hopeful that they'll do away with appointments then based on the new relaxing rules.

Garlinge · 06-09-2021 2:31pm

Goodness booked up to October! I have been in GRO office quite a few times in former times and only a handful of people in a very large room.

pinkypinky · 06-09-2021 2:46pm

Yes, that's part of the problem. They're only letting a couple of people in per session (morning or afternoon).

Jellybaby_1 · 06-09-2021 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117850868#Comment_117850868

That's a thought Pinky, I suppose it may not have been in the paper. I did check the Dublin papers and I entered a ten year span as I'm sure the death was in the 1970's. I will of course give it another go with wider fields than all those I already entered just in case. As far as I know there was no glitch as I've been searching over a period of weeks but that was a couple of months ago.

Jellybaby_1 · 06-09-2021 8:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117852049#Comment_117852049

Thanks Hermy, I'll try just the surname and see if anything pops up. Also maybe the first name was not the real first name, maybe a second name. I have a few relatives with changes in the first name. Worth another go so.

pinkypinky · 06-09-2021 8:18pm

Have you tried going another way and finding a burial for him? Deansgrange and Glasnevin and Buried in Fingal give good coverage.

crossman47 · 08-09-2021 2:19pm

I may well be repeating something others have posted but a word of warning. Be very wary of family trees created by others e.g. on Ancestry. People unfamiliar with an area are prone to including all births in an area with a particular surname to the family they are researching without carefully looking at the birth records themselves. An example I found was births to parents of the same name (very common names in the area) registered in Westport all attributed to one family when some were to parents in Westport town and others to parents in Louisburgh.

pinkypinky · 08-09-2021 4:27pm

Yes, that's a very common problem.

Garlinge · 08-09-2021 6:36pm

I imagine a phone enquiry to Glasnevin with a particular name would give you information if he is there. Also Mt Jerome have a decent office. Sometimes people are buried in unusual locations eg if came from outside Dublin, they may return to a family plot. Deans Grange and Shanganagh have a great facility to view their record book once you have logged on to

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/cemeteries/burial-records

Jellybaby_1 · 11-09-2021 11:18pm

Thanks, I'll have a look at the burials too now.

Garlinge · 12-09-2021 7:44am

off topic. I am embarrassed by my poor knowledge of Irish history even all history... Could anyone recommend a decent book on the 1916 to 1923 period? Or do we need to go further back? Events of that time are significant to family tree. I am trying to explain bits and pieces to non Irish cousin.

Hermy · 12-09-2021 8:28am

Don't be embarrassed Garlinge - I'm in the same boat but am trying to address this deficit both for genealogy and quizzing.

I can't recommend a book specific to the 1916-23 period but Tim Pat Coogan's Ireland in the Twentieth Century, his biography of Michael Collins, and the RTE documentary series Seven Ages (you'll find it on YouTube) were my starting point.

pinkypinky · 12-09-2021 10:45am

I think you absolutely need to go further back than that period, Garlinge. What happened then only happened because many things finally came together, but the roots of why they happened stem from our whole complicated history with Britain.

Two books I recommend:

Modern Ireland by Roy Foster

The Cambridge Social History of Modern Ireland edited by Eugenio Biagini and Mary Daly

I second Hermy's suggestion of the Seven Ages documentary.

Garlinge · 12-09-2021 11:30am

Excellent response both of you.... thank you.

Rmulvany · 16-09-2021 8:51am

Just a heads up, customs charges being put on FamilyTree DNA kits (and probably the others too).

Only €3.69. But worth noting this will delay the arrival of the kit if anyone is ordering.

Garlinge · 17-09-2021 1:44pm

Here is one to bring a smile to us avid researchers! I spotted someone on Ancestry with huge tree and included my great grandmother so I messaged him as to the connection as I could not make sense of it. This is his reply:

"sister-in-law of paternal grandfather of husband of niece of husband of great-grandaunt" 😆

pinkypinky · 17-09-2021 5:15pm

Love it. I had one of those too.

Translation: in no way related.

Hermy · 18-09-2021 12:19am

They might be step-neighbours-in-law!

Garlinge · 18-09-2021 1:34pm

Keep it up and he will get back to Adam and Eve!

Garlinge · 19-09-2021 1:09pm

I am interested in very small village where grandfather was born 1890 but left in 1904. He wrote his memoirs of those time later in life so lots to follow up. There is a Facebook page devoted to local parish ( includes two villages) affairs and there have been bits of historic/genealogical interest contributed there but soon buried amidst lost dogs, GAA match events, weddings etc. I dont 'do' Facebook otherwise. Is there any other suggestions as to a forum to share memories etc? A bit like boards or a forum where topics stay organised. I have used Rootschat but not for this. A google of the village name ( so tiny) brings back few 'hits' save the facebook stuff and some defunct website. I have found "Tipperary Studies" run by county library and that might place to go.

BowWow · 19-09-2021 4:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910775#Comment_117910775

Have a look at this site. I only came across it last week - it seems to have what you are looking for.

https://irelandxo.com/

Garlinge · 19-09-2021 7:02pm

Yes thank you, I have been there and contributed a bit but there is very little traffic about my small place.

Deja Boo · 30-10-2021 6:46pm

Finding it impossible to work backwards from a marriage record in the states, with a very common female name and only "Ireland" as a birthplace.

No idea how to trace back any genealogical data, given a 30 year period of potential travel in the early 1800's, with no other info to go by.

...Any ideas?

spurious · 31-10-2021 11:25am

Is there a father's name on the marriage record?

Deja Boo · 31-10-2021 5:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118097112#Comment_118097112

None - the U.S. record (from the 1830's) only lists hers and her grooms name (with the same surname), marriage date and place.

hblock21 · 11-11-2021 12:07pm

When are they going to release those last civil death records for 1864-1870? The wait is just so frustrating.

mindhorn · 09-01-2022 10:13am

Not sure if this falls under off-topic...

Someone has contacted me on Ancestry asking to help regarding an adoption case. They have possible connections to a family that's also on my public tree and they are researching on behalf of a family member. I'm more than happy to help but wondering if by answering any of their questions, or giving them contact details etc for them to get in touch, that I could be opening a can of worms? Obviously I don't know the full story yet but of course it's a possiblity that the family on my tree do not want to be contacted.

Hermy · 09-01-2022 11:30am

Great post mindhorn.

Over the past few years I've had a foot in both camps, on the one hand sending out those sort of messages in the hope of a positive response, and on the other, receiving them from people in the same boat.

Yes, you could be opening up a can of worms but that doesn't have to be a bad thing and very often the reunions that result from these enquiries have a positive outcome.

Like you, I'd be more then happy to help anyone in this situation but I draw the line at contact details.

Generally where someone messages me looking to contact a third party I will offer to send on their message to the third party and leave it up to the third party to decide what to do.

mindhorn · 09-01-2022 2:23pm

Thanks, Hermy.

My concern is that it's possibly not a known event in the family of the third party. So if I do contact the third party (there are six or seven siblings in the family so I don't know who I am to contact exactly) then that could cause some uncomfortable conversations for them. I should be looking at the positives here but I'm keeping the potential drawbacks in mind.

Hermy · 09-01-2022 8:29pm

You're right to be concerned.

Although I am wholly in favour of openness with regard to adoption nonetheless these issues should always be handled with care.

Is there a genealogist or other approachable person in the third party's family who you could talk to?

Do you have any idea yourself where the connection might be?

If so, that might help you decide who to speak to (or not) as the case may be.

Also, try to get as much information as you can from the person who contacted you before you take it any further.

You may be able to do more with that info than they can, such as establish whether or not they're barking up the right tree.

BowWow · 20-02-2022 10:59pm

I'll probably go with "Someone Else"...

Baybay · 24-02-2022 2:03pm

My mother was the last child of four siblings born to an older father & younger mother. My grandfather was born in 1875 & died as a result of an accident when my mother was a toddler in the 1930s. She remembers being brought into the bedroom at home to visit him as he was dying & that’s about it. Her father was rarely spoken of after his death, she doesn’t know why particularly. My mother has passed away also but my aunt, her sister who is quite a bit older is still alive at almost 96 & refuses to speak about her father at all. All I hear is that he’s not worth talking about which is spectacularly unhelpful as she’s the only one now who can speak about anything in relation to that generation! It’s so frustrating.

Jellybaby_1 · 24-02-2022 4:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118684957#Comment_118684957

Perhaps you should try auntie again, explain how it is 'tearing you apart' to find out about him and after she's gone you'll never know, and anyway what does it matter to anybody else now but it matters a lot to you. I'm in the same position regarding my grandmother, she died old, she died young, she moved away, she could be buried here, she had more children, and she also didn't have more children. Its infuriating trying to get the right story before the eldest in our family goes. I'm always hoping someone from my grandmother's side of the family will eventually contact me via Ancestry, been waiting decades to find out.

Lime Tree Farm · 26-02-2022 10:56pm

Is there any leading info to be gleaned from a death cert or newspaper reports

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