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Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    He was up to his neck in muck and bullets fighting the Taliban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes Joe was completely bored by it all , it was being absurdly suggested by clearly a friend of Coveney (First name terms) that the Zappone affair had in some way affected Ireland chances of hosting this vanity project.

    Government have correctly requested a period of time to assess feasibility study, actual cost analysis, the caller suggested all this was already done by an accountancy firm (where have we heard that before)

    All sorts of outlandish claims the event was worth €500 million to local economy, the caller was asked about new Zealands last experience (€75 million) , he responded, its their time zone. You couldn't make it up.

    Furthermore Ireland apparently favorites, this might be because most bidders have pulled out

    In essence linking this matter to the Zappone affair a total nonsense 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    On that we can agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not a single governmnent TD objected at the time Matt Carthy made his infamous remarks. When asked about this, Harris referred to Leo shaking his head, this was actually at the start of carthys speech immediately after Leo's tantrum.

    Harris wasn't even in the chamber when the exchange took place, he seems to have turned up late because I heard him vote.

    Leo claimed the allegations were incorrect but also said "not entirely " what does that mean?

    Harris "Strongly Considering a complaint" ,if he is so confident, why not do this immediately, now, today !!

    This rumor has been swirling for months , it didn't just crop up yesterday

    The junior minister allegedly behind the Sting is very quite, were exactly did the information Leo spoke to a cabinet minister come from.

    All the above has a certain ring to it, makey uppy excuses. Was all this a figment of 1000's of people's imagination, I seriously think not .

    Until Harris makes a complaint and gets the Dail record corrected (in his opinion) this will rumble on, wether he likes it or not .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The Sunday Times reported that a junior FG minister (Patrick o'Donovan) rang a senior FG minister (Simon Harris) and told him he had just been on his local radio station giving out about the Zappone appointment. This was disinformation and the radio interview never took place but a few minutes after o'Donovan was off the phone with Harris o'Donovan got a phone call from a journalist asking him about what he said about the Zappone appointment on local radio and trying to get a comment about it from him. So Harris had swallowed the lie fed to him by o'Donovan and also immediately spread it to a journalist. From that they (ie Vardkar and o'Donovan) identified Harris as the person who was texting the Zappone info in real time during the Cabinet meeting where it was first raised.



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    So it's romoured Leo did a Colleen Rooney on Harris?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The 'feasilbility' report was produced by Ernst and Young the same shams who audited Anglo for years while they fiddled the books. It pulled this figure of the Americas Cup being worth 500m to the economy out of its arse and when the Dept of Tourism senior civil servants saw it they were rightly immediately sceptical as were senior civil servants in the Dept of Expenditure who read it too. This feasaility report by Anglos auditors also claimed that there would be a global tv audience of 900 million yet the New Zealanders reported that they had just 68 million people looking in and they were the ones selling the tv rights so they would kind of know.

    So senior civil servants immediately spotted Ernst and Youngs report of being nothing more than a fluff piece designed to trick the reader into believing hosting the Americas Cup would be bigger than what it actually is. Also Coveneys mate on Joe Duffy claimed that 2.5 million people are going to arrive into Ireland for this which was the greatest load of sh1te Ive ever heard in my life, Auckland never got big crowds for their races so I dont know where he got this 2.5 million figure from, likely pulled out of his arse too.

    Also the reason New Zealand want rid of the Americas Cup is becasue their team keeps winning it and it then falls on the taxpayer to host it and subsidise it. They are sick of this becasue they realise that there is little to no benefit to their overall tourism strategy, it doesnt attract big crowds becasue spectating yacht races in person is a frustrating affair, the boats are way off in the distance and spectators havent a clue of what is going on. Its a sport best left to watching on tv. So Team NZ and the government there are looking for some other schmuck to take the financial hit and Coveney fits the bill nicely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    What about what happened before the alleged sting which is all that seems to be discussed in this article as you've laid out, I understood this started around the time Harris was sunning himself on a mayo beach and various leaks led to an absurd sting attempt , there was also the direct cabinet leak itself and Leo allegedly confronting a cabinet minister, the whole thing is a confusing mess but something clearly happened, I can't see a newspaper like the Sunday Times running a story without sources and some facts, it will be curious if there is a follow-up this weekend, perhaps why Harris still considering his position 🤔

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You heard what I heard 😏 how anyone can seriously believe this event would generate €500 million for a tax payers upfront payment of €25 million is just la la land stuff, not even a ponzi scheme could promise such a return, €25 million upfront was mentioned, I had heard €50 to €150 million to include infrastructure costs, its utter madness .

    But of course slightly off topic , we better leave it at that 🤫

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ah I see. Dear oh dear.

    They are red rotten.

    Interesting times indeed. Is this why Harris didn't turn up? Or is he allergic to confidence votes? 😂

    Thanks!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    For your information, the general election date has not been set. It can't 'change'. The Taoiseach can call the election anytime within the 5 years.

    You will remember that Leo wanted a general election in May 2020 but was forced into having it in February, with disastrous consequences.

    The last 15 months of the FFG omnishambles have proven beyond reasonable doubt that the 100 year power swap has harmed our democracy. The coalition with the Roman church didn't help our citizens either. This country could be so much better and fairer with more honest and future thinking politicians. For example, the FFG treatment of the mother and baby homes survivors makes me shudder - they tried to cover it up to save their legacy - utter cowardice. And they are still stalling, surprise surprise. FG got their chance in 2011 and they actually became worse than FF.

    I would like at least 15 more months of this exposure and chaos before we are back at the ballot box. At least 15 more months.

    Re Zappone cronyism - It's quite astounding that FFG have had decades of experience in abusing power and still make rookie mistakes. That's the arrogance of power I guess.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The debate continues on the late debate 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    At best, that's a huge stretch. It is one thing to rat out a fellow TD to a journalist, it is another to leak from Cabinet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Would you like to point me where in the post you quoted, or any other post of mine mentioned the date of the next general election? You're obviously correct, as it "hasn't changed" blanch..... (It's still happening when exactly)?🤣

    As for "ignoring the rest of my post" - that's handy. Your tendency to be "Sloganeering" was pretty much the beginning and the ending of my post.

    But you really got me on the not changed date, of the not set election.

    Talk about a perfect example of a strawman.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The leak is known to have come from cabinet. Where do you think it came from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Jeez that reminds me of a past post I made, hairdo so to speak 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You miss the point. Concluding that Harris is the one who leaked from cabinet (if these was a leak) because he ratted out a TD who disagreed with him to a journalist is a tenuous conclusion. One that SF went public with, and if they want to make accusations with as little evidence as that, off we go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Cabinet leaks happen all the time, Hugh o'Connell was on PT earlier saying it is bread and butter for journalists. The Zappone leak literally came from Cabinet while the meeting was ongoing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Simon Harris doesn't have a "good character" to blacken. It has widely been reported that he is guilty of leaking the information for months now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It is fact that there was a leak. If there was no leak we would never have heard of the Zappone story. FG has form in leaking so it's no stretch to say it was a FG cabinet member. You might find it a stretch that it was Harris but I and countless others don't. It was also telling tonight how Donnelly answered questions on this on Prime Time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Morning 😏

    So the Indo quite happy to confirm the childish antics of a FG Junior Minister albeit only confirming what's been widely reported over the past number of weeks.

    Will we now see him and others called to explain themselves.

    As I've said many times, something clearly went on and requires explanation. There's now at least 6 FG TD"s caught up in this, given past history, one is bound to let something slip.

    "Junior Fine Gael minister O ’Donovan boasted about Cabinet sting operation - Independent.ie" https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/junior-fine-gael-minister-odonovan-boasted-about-cabinet-sting-operation-40859260.html

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,060 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The narrative has unfortunately been stomped on by people in the media and politics who are against it for simplistic populist reasons. As i mentioned above 150 of the 200 million is to go directly on infrastructure that would have been invested in anyway this just makes it a priority in the next 3 years instead of 10. Also the projected benefit to the local economy was at the high ranges 500 mil+

    Anyway it looks like the Americas Cup Committee want us to reconsider as the day we announced we werent going forward with the bid they out of nowhere extended the bid window so hopefully people see sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That's not the point. Concluding from the O'Donovan incident that Harris was the leaker is a big big stretch. We can conclude he is prone to talk to journalists about his fellow TDs, which won't do much for his future standing in FG, but Cabinet leaks are a whole other level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    "Sting Operation." 😂

    • - "I was on the radio talking about KZ"

    That journalist mustn't be the sharpest tool in the box. All they had to do was ring the radio station or check out their website and see if they had an online playback section or listings.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fine Gael ran a sting operation to expose that the Minister, Deputy Harris, had leaked the appointment from the Cabinet meeting because that is how business is done.


    Above the exact words said by Matt Carty , I'm still struggling to find what exactly he said wrong albeit perhaps a little presumptuous to name names (at this stage) . This said its very curious the the Junior minister alleged to have commenced the childish sting is named without Dail privilege in outside reporting and yet he seems very very shy in defending his reputation, indeed he's been terribly quite generally late .

    Curious too Leo's "not entirely correct ' comments when questioned in the Dail about the allegations, is he saying some of the facts are correct 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    What's stopping the minister for TikTok coming out swinging here to clear his name?

    Of course this could all be easily resolved if (seen him described as this on Twitter) Patrick "please miss, you forgot to give us homework miss" O'Donovan comes out and tells us who the minister was that he gave false information to..... And in the process, dragging another politician into the sorry mess.

    The nothing burger lingers on!,

    A nation awaits with baited breath 😬

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Amazing or perhaps curious FG TDs led by Leo giving a distinct impression of "what is everyone talking about" and of course as we've said a telling reluctence of Harris and The now named Junior minister to Defend their Allegedly Tarnished reputations.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭BobHopeless


    FG'ers keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. How Martin can stand by and whip his party into line for these crooks i'll never know. Weak leader.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Paschal the Rascal on the lunch time news, just asked if there's a problem with leaks , throwing it back to Taoiseach to investigate.

    Not answering if an investigation appropriate.

    Asked 3 times , 3 none discript answer's.

    Consistent, at least

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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