Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

banie01 · 13-09-2021 11:37AM

A favour to ask of the posters with Sales Corner access on TZ-UK please?

I'm looking for an Omega 2535:80, the blue Bond GMT. There's 1 on watchuseek but in the US.

My post count over there is still too low to view the sales corner, and I don't want to start spamming threads to bring my count up.

So can I ask those of ye with access to keep an eye out over there for me please? I'll keep posting and will hopefully hit the 50 needed in a week or 3 😂

Fitz II · 13-09-2021 12:32PM

I think of antiques and art were not good money makers then all the antique dealers and art galleries are in trouble. I think that with almost any commodity if you have good taste, know what you like, buy well and buy quality you will be fine. Quality always sells.

fulladapipes · 13-09-2021 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884669#Comment_117884669

Years ago when I lived in the UK, I went out with a woman in Aberdeen who ran an art gallery. Most of her income came from renting art to the HQs of large companies (nostly oil) for 6 months at a time. The rest came from framing and then selling actual art.

She didn't wear a watch (just to keep things on topic).

Wibbs · 13-09-2021 01:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884669#Comment_117884669

Pretty much, though good taste can be variable over time and culture and fashion. Quality is a good litmus, though another good indicator is things that were rare and expensive when new tend to keep their value over time, though often suffer an out of fashion phase. That's the time to buy. I always liked Art Nouveau(the fanceh French kind rather than the British Arts and Crafts) as a style and I remember a time when it was very much out of fashion and I got a few bits and bobs at the time. Lately it's gone a bit down again. Art Deco seems to hold value and interest for longer. Though the best is again French, rather than the later mass produced American stuff. This could be one reason why it has more hold, there's simply more of it and dealers have more to sell. That has a lot of impact on ordinary collector values. This goes for watches too. You can create and sustain a market for something mass produced and more common far more easily than you can for something produced in far smaller quantities.

Cyclingtourist · 13-09-2021 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884669#Comment_117884669

You cover pretty much what I posted before about having some knowledge, an informed taste. Brown furniture, Georgian/Regency, quality Victorian was big in my day but apparently has nose-dived since then. Certainly it's a good time to buy it if you have the knowledge to spot what's right from what isn't and it fits your home/lifestyle. Quality always sells over tat but you can buy quality now and in ten years if say the yanks have gone off it don't expect your money back.

Wibbs · 13-09-2021 02:44PM

The American market is a strange one. Usually massively inflated prices for a start. We see this in classic cars too. Yeah, brown furniture is pretty dead as a mainstream trend. Pine is in, as is modernist 50's and 60's stuff. Victorian stuff tends to be very heavy looking and can overpower a modern room. Scale can be a problem with older stuff anyway as the quality kit was made for big houses of richer people for the most part. That's a hard sale for your average suburban home, with increased appartment living it's an even harder sale.

micks_address · 14-09-2021 02:24PM

Just another an post whinge.. i sent two watches to the UK in last week.. one was marked 200 euro value, the second 50 euro value... neither attracted import charges on royal mail side.. they seem to be letting everything slip through... i wouldnt risk anything coming this way...

banie01 · 14-09-2021 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890366#Comment_117890366

There are zero in bound checks in place in the UK on goods from the EU as of yet.

It was meant to begin in October, but is now put off until January, when no doubt it will be postponed again. It's nowt to do with anpost and everything to do with the Brit's not implementing the Brexit deal they signed, despite it hammering their exports.

micks_address · 14-09-2021 02:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890386#Comment_117890386

You'd wonder why An Post had to be so effective at it? They are returning a lot of items that are marked correctly though - i had a phone case sent back a few weeks ago.. they said it wasnt declared correctly.. id worry about getting anything of value sent this way really...

banie01 · 14-09-2021 02:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890408#Comment_117890408

Because Ireland and the rest of the EU have implemented the agreement on our side of the border.

It's not quite flicking a switch but the switch from CN22 to CN23 has been a long time coming and not to denigrate the British...

But, they have repeatedly shown they couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery. When the Brexit deal became effective, all goods entering the EU from GB are subject to the use of correct commercial paperwork and the EU is ensuring that it's all either correct or returned. It is a pain in the hole, but it's the 1st step in acquainting UK exporters with what they have voted for.

The backlog in the UK for goods out is huge and growing. Suppliers reliant on the UK are all shifting their sources and it is going to get far worse for UK exports in the near and medium term. Trade deals with NZ and Aus both have lower standards than agreed in the withdrawal deal and as such, the UK is going to find less and less of its goods exported to the EU. GB started a trade war with itself, and surrendered with signature of the WA and forgetting that whilst trying to join TPP.

Stupidity is far too polite a term for the bolloxology that Johnson and Truss are trying to pass off as everyone else's fault.

PS.

**Rant Concluded**😂😂😂

banie01 · 16-09-2021 01:20PM

In a slightly watch related rant insofar as it's the account I buy via 😉

Have my 3rd AML compliance audit ongoing at present. The poor lad who asked for source of funds is currently wading through @750 crypto transactions.

He asked for last 10 trades if less than 10 per year, or the last 3 months if more than 10 per year.

Luckily I had most of the paperwork generated for up to August for income tax return. Just in case anyone wants to know the trigger for 3rd level KYC with Revolut? It's 30k in 6months.

scwazrh · 16-09-2021 04:13PM

“the last 3 months if more than 10 per year”

and he gets stuck with 750 transactions!!Love it.

i know it’s needed and audits are for the overall good and all that but I do like when you get that feeling that they are sorry they asked .And even more so when it turns up nothing major .

micks_address · 17-09-2021 07:33AM

Picked this up from tz forums. Interesting if not obviously biased view of panerai

https://perezcope.com/2021/08/08/panerai-in-house-movements-a-pam-of-worms/comment-page-1/?unapproved=9741&moderation-hash=097e64c5282e98b888f535bd0181e4c6#comment-9741

banie01 · 17-09-2021 01:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117727928#Comment_117727928

We had a chat about it a month or so ago here Mick 😁 Our little corner is clearly better than TZ and faster on the uptake 😮

micks_address · 17-09-2021 01:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904201#Comment_117904201

must have been shortly after the site relaunch and i missed it.. interesting all the same.. i didnt realise rolex supplied the italian navy all that time..

banie01 · 17-09-2021 01:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904280#Comment_117904280

I think it was in the midst of that disaster alright. It really is an eye-opener but as the chat at the time laid out. Not something that's out of the ordinary for many of the high end. It's a conversation that's still worth having tho IMO.

It's not so long ago that Tudor and I think even some IWC and many others were ETA, the question then comes down to the grade of movement, eg elaboré and actual watch finishing and quality.

How much value should we assign or remove to a watch for ETA/Sellita rather than in-house?

micks_address · 17-09-2021 02:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904358#Comment_117904358

In his article he says a lot of parts are not made in house... but they are made by companies owned by the same company that owns panerai - eta excluded... wouldnt that still be considered in house?

also spotted this on tz... kinda want one :) friend mentioned the brand to me in a pub last night and id no idea they existed..

https://luxurywatches635.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/review-of-ebel-1911-chronograph-ref-1134901/

micks_address · 17-09-2021 02:44PM

a big plus with Eta in Tudor etc.. a lot of reviewers always commented that servicing cost would be way lower and easier to source rather than an in house movement.

Thirdfox · 17-09-2021 05:48PM

Oh btw - I was in the post office today posting off some straggler watches and confirmed with the post office that the countries that have expanded custom declaration requirements are the US, UK and Switzerland (I was sending a watch off to Japan so was double checking that it wouldn't get turned around or if I needed to fill in any additional forms I would).

banie01 · 19-09-2021 01:18PM

Oh Irish watch hive mind, help me I beseech thee 😂

I've a couple of irons in the fire regarding a potential 2535:80 purchase.

Both watches in good condition but, no box/papers and no recent service. Not too much of an issue for me as when the time comes to service I'll send it on to Omega and reconstitute the paperwork that way.

My issue is price. Both that I'm looking at currently are in the €2600 range asking. I'm thinking they are more €2100 value currently although if I go via Chrono24 and Japan I can get fullset for the €2600 range and Chrono24 EU pricing has me pitching a price in the €2300 range (Using my totally unscientific Chrono price minus 30% method 😂).

So, what do ye reckon? Pitch an offer at 2k with room to rise?

banie01 · 20-09-2021 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117911001#Comment_117911001

Answering myself here, but went in at 2100 and we'll see what develops 😉

micks_address · 20-09-2021 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117911001#Comment_117911001

Are they autos? I sold my quartz for 1400 here last year... criminally low...

banie01 · 20-09-2021 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117916150#Comment_117916150

Yep, they are co-axial escapement autos I think they were Omega's original crop of the escapement.

micks_address · 20-09-2021 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117916158#Comment_117916158

Chrono24 is interesting... when i look at watches i see a certain price.. but when i list the same model it will suggest a price to list at.. thats obviously a price the average sells for.. its usually a good few hundred less than the cheapest listing in the 2 - 3k price range

Fitz II · 21-09-2021 01:15PM

In the last 2 weeks I think I have gone stage 8 and onto stage 9. Major cull has happened. Never passed stage 7. Am I loosing interest...other things just seem more interesting to me at the moment and finding it difficult to motivate myself to do my youtube which I quite enjoy.

fulladapipes · 21-09-2021 01:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117919584#Comment_117919584

Funnily enough, my interest levels have waned a bit recently. I've gone from 4-5 stright to 8. It's partly to do with this new boards format - too many notifications, and then tons going into spam repeatedly. And I have to say I'm getting tired of the YouTubers, especially The Timeless Watch guy who I used to enjoy, but who recently seems to have bought into his own hype. He will no doubt get his game back again as he is very talented. And Paul Thorpe and Archie...all tiring me these days. (I'm also in the middle of building works which are distracting me.)

banie01 · 21-09-2021 01:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117916197#Comment_117916197

I've not sold there yet, but I do have my watches added to their "collection" tool and it's part of what led me to my use as Chrono24 minus 30% for realistic prices and tbh I'd put private trades a touch lower again.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117919584#Comment_117919584

Hope it's just a momentary lull in interest? But it may well be something to do with reopening gathering pace maybe? We had a good 18 months of bear zero real social outlet and you channeled that into watches in a large way? Maybe the lifting of restrictions and more recreational outlets is just pulling you away from the watches and lowering the intensity temporarily?

Fitz II · 21-09-2021 02:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117919699#Comment_117919699

I think that you hit the nail on the head there, just want to do things that get me out, and do new things. I do love my watches but might just get off the merry-go-round for a bit. Having said that, I have a new project on the go, and I could liquidate watches in a flash to finance, so I had the watches for free basically. Agree with Fulladapipes also, watch youtube is a toxic sludge pit for narcisists, cretans and bullies and all the latest sh1t going on has me questioning if I can share a common hobby with these tools.

NIMAN · 21-09-2021 02:51PM

I think for some (not saying it's definitely people on here as I don't know them) its perhaps that once you get a top quality watch you're overjoyed, then the next thing seems to be that you want the next one up, then the next one up etc...and deep down you aren't ever happy until you buy the one that you're happy with, irrespectiveof the price of it, or the hype that surrounds it. Of course some may have 8 or 10 they are happy with, but perhaps the same principle applies.

As for me, I have kinda reached that point too. I'm not even in the same ball park as some of the owners on here, in fact I'm not even in the same country!

I would buy and buy, and then sell the odd one, the buy another ....But nothing more than £200 odd. I'm small fry stuff. Of course I still look around, at the odd Sinn or Stowa. Have even been eyeing up a midsize Bond Seamaster, but it's probably just window shopping for now.

I now have kinda settled with my SKX013, my Boldr Venture, a Casio edifice, a Traser P59 Type 3, and my dad's watch. They suit all my needs and I like the watches I own now. Also have a couple of Casio digital for playing football was.

So I have jumped from the bottom of the curve to the end and not been anywhere in between.

scwazrh · 21-09-2021 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117919584#Comment_117919584

Ive said a few times here that I think COVID lockdown has caused a lot of the boom in watches recently.We’ve all had so much time to look at pretty pictures of watches, research them and have them delivered to the house .I know there is watches I’ve convinced myself I want and have to have and it’s mainly due to not being able to fill my time with other activities.Add in no financial boundaries for most pieces under €30k or so and I can see why you’re feeling done or slowing down .

I suppose how interesting the new project is might have something to do with it as well. There’s only so much time and attention we each have to devote to our pastimes.

Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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