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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,699 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Barry Cowan on The Tonight Show on VM1, same circles of shite from him, he went with his party majority for to keep the government etc., and be there for his constitutes

    Peter Burke of FG a tool

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,699 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Independent TDs Peter Fitzpatrick, Michael Lowry, Noel Grealish, Denis Naughton, Danny Healy-Rae, Michael Healy-Rae, Richard O'Donoghue, Cathal Berry, Michael Fitzmaurice, Michael McNamara and Marian Harkin voted in support of Simon Coveney.

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    To save their jobs and keep the gravy coming and not in support of Coveney.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    No. The crimes were never in comparison, just stated why neither party could sanction an EX councillor, it was a stupid question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Morning,

    I'm sensing the focus of attention moving swiftly towards Sneaky Simon Harris, a lot of talk and print coverage this morning about this little matter of cabinet leaks. The Junior minister who attempted to expose Harris has had his name hinted at this morning albeit it wouldn't take a PhD to work out who it was. There's a definite story to be explained here. Matt Carthy cleverly used Dail privilege, the Denial afterwards by a Harris spokesperson has no such privilege. I'm curious what prompted Harris"s "alledged" actions, has he a bone to pick with Zappone or indeed his Colleagues Coveney & Varadkar, a lot of focus on internal strife over at FF but I'm curious is there similar strife within FG. This aspect of this entire debacle "Alledged Harris leakage" is very strange & puzzling, the attempted sting afterwards just bizzare.

    Lots of coverage this morning on this Nothing Burger and apparently Coveney heading up north today were I'm sure his and Leo's comments yesterday will not be universally welcomed, I suspect Michelle O Neill won't be particularly happy to see him and maybe quite happy to avail of social distancing rules (so much for Coveney's, Hillariously over hyped, Diplomatic skills at last nights utter farce.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Evidently you did come down in the last shower as your acting like this is the first time anything like this has happened under the party whip system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    FF were the big losers in all this. MM somehow managed to turn what should have been a blow to FG into a debacle for his own party. That takes some doing and really shows how desperate he is to hold on to his role no matter what the damage to his party is. The long knives will be out for MM soon you'd have to imagine.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Colm Buffoon Brophy on morning Ireland spouting more Gik

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    If Coveney had lost due to FF voting against him it would have brought down the Government and MM would never be Taoiseach again. Even voting against Coveney wouldmt have saved him in the inevitable leadership election that will come the second this Government is finished. The man is hanging on with his finger nails cus being Taoiseach is all he cares about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Colm using the Scary word again explaining a TD'S right to use Dail privilege, disgraceful.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Colm now being grilled over the leak, suggesting "others" had access to the info, throwing civil servants under the bus perhaps 🤔🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Colm should be minister for Diarrhea, not Diaspora, he's just extraordinary and Not in a good way

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Billgirlylegs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    Or is it to protect "his" seat. One thing about these dynasty politicians, they sure know how to hold seats. Even when their cumann or constituency want rid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It rumbled on for 50 days and has more ammunition to run some more.

    Hypothetical I know but If TDs had a free vote (no risk of lost whip) or even a secret vote...I doubt Simon would have got 30 votes. FG forced FF and some greedy INDs to vote for cronyism, to condone cronyism and lobbying, to condone dishonestly in our Oireachtas. That is priceless. It cements the perception that FG and FF are the same.

    Have you read the FG New Politics document from 2011?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    😀😃 someone beat me to it to quote this. Second one, just for the record. you know how hard it is for some people not to delete text.

    Nothing like this until 2025. Are bookies quoting on that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Have to agree completely, a free vote, I genuinely believe would have yielded a very different vote, Coveney would have survived but we'd have got a better sense of the real (not makey uppy) tensions between FF & FG.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Harris has a lot do with the vote. If he had not leaked we would not have been where we were last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Simon Harris, was the Icing on the cake, a gift that just keeps giving. I think he'll be avoiding journalists microphones for a while which will be probably more Traumatic for him than being caught rapid. More to come on the angle of the story 😏


    "Coalition in chaos amid Simon Harris leak claims and Fianna Fáil TD’s resignation - Independent.ie" https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/coalition-in-chaos-amid-simon-harris-leak-claims-and-fianna-fail-tds-resignation-40855760.html

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    How long till he is in Ikea purchasing his own back bench?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Might be wise if he looks in the Back Bone section also, I believe there's a Political Sale on at the moment, quite a crowd outside this morning 😁😂

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    From "the paper of record"

    The facts of the saga received scant attention, being of little use to both sides. But that is not what Wednesday night was about. It was about – after a period in which political division was minimised because of Covid – redrawing the dividing lines of politics. It was about Sinn Féin sharpening its blade – the elites versus the people, the insiders versus the outsiders – and the Coalition toughening up to resist its swipes, seeking to draw focus towards the issues they say people care about: health, housing, quality of life. There was no doubt who emerged happiest: the Government is bruised, and as the new Dáil term begins, Sinn Féin has given the Coalition – with its assistance – a good kicking.


    No doubt about it, the coalition got a good bloody nose last night. How many days before the next debacle?

    Will they be able to stop themselves from creating another clusterfcuk before Christmas? I wouldn't bet against it. 3 seperate party's actively working against each other in a never ending bid at undermining each other (and themselves) the Leo Varadkar backstab of Coveney by releasing the texts Coveney said he himself deleted was something else. You'd have to wonder if the shoe was on the other foot how the petulant child Leo would have reacted.

    This is supposedly a 3 way coalition.


    Lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It would have been interesting with a free vote for his party. If the government did collapse after it then he could point to FG being the ones responsible. It's highly unlikely he'll be very be Taoiseach again either way but he's damaged his own party something terrible this past few months.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,138 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I suspect Harris will be assisting in this endeavour soon 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    MM showed his true colours over this past few weeks. Stood firmly behind am opposition TD who was caught bang to rights giving a buddy a nice cushy job and deleting government communications from his phone.

    Looks at how differently MM reacted when he sacked Cowen

    The Taoiseach said:"He accepted what he did was absolutely wrong and he apologised to all members. I accepted that his remorse was genuine and I accepted his apology."The challenges facing this government are unprecedented. It is in everyone's interest that the government not be distracted in any way."

    Yet, we are to believe this nonsense hasn't distracted government over the past few weeks, with the lies, coverups, misleading statements that needed "clarifications", phone hacking, destroying government correspondence against the law.

    Coveney survived but what damage to the coalition partners will receive is only going to be known at the next election.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Administrators Posts: 55,179 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Ok, but that is still not the point. The government were getting a bloody nose no matter what, the difference now is the vote means it's time to move on.

    SF were never winning that vote in a million years and as soon as Mary-Lou started making her demands Coveney was never losing his job. For all this talk of MM looking weak (and IMHO he's a very weak Taoiseach in a party of fairly mediocre politicians), he'd look miniscule had he sacked Coveney after she gave him 24 hours.

    If SF really wanted Coveney gone they played this wrong. If it was never about getting rid of Coveney, and always about playing politics, then some decisions do start to make more sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    And how else do Fine Gael suggest we achieve below because Martin did nothing for 50 days...

    Fine Gael New Politics document 2011

    Fine Gael is convinced that public confidence in government can be restored – but only if there is real tangible change in the political system. The New Politics is designed to tackle head-on the major weaknesses in our archaic system of government, so that the huge policy mistakes of the last few years will not be repeated. It will:

    End “Crony Government” in Ireland by opening up government and giving the Dáil, for the first time in its history, real power to hold ministers and public bodies to account;

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    That's assuming the Sinn Fein plan was to see Coveney resign, look at their seat number increase the last 10years +, they're playing the long game here.

    Assuming Varadkar is still leader in a new election, that in itself needs you to assume he won't be charged in the criminal investigation he's currently the subject of. Charged or not charged - he still did it, and admitted so. Definitely to be used against him at every opportunity in an election campaign.

    Deputy leader (assuming he's still there as such) caught red-handed at cronyism, and deleting the evidence.

    FF endorsed all this.

    Greens a non entity, hardly worth discussing tbh.

    Last nights confidence motion succeeded, but it was absolute proof politics here is broken, this government is rotten. It will take the next election to see how much contempt the electorate will show them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Getting Coveney would have been a nice bonus for them but they now have the government parties on record defending cronyism, lies, and possible breaches of the law. It was a classic opposition party move and it worked.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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