"Great news! 400 new jobs announced" - attitude towards more jobs

Pussyhands · 15-09-2021 08:21AM #1

Why are we still acting like we're in 2012 where a new jobs announcement would be welcome news?

We have a massive labour shortage across all sectors at the moment. Anyone who wants a job can get a job.

Wages are going up, particularly in the professional sector. And they are going up big. This is not a good thing. This will increase property prices and those on the lower paid jobs will be hit.

I just fail to see the positives in new jobs announcements anymore. We don't have enough houses, public transport capacity.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-09-2021 08:22AM

Yeah we need less jobs

Former Former Former · 15-09-2021 09:02AM

We need inward investment to keep driving the economy so as to generate the taxes required to pay for houses and public transport.

As soon as these announcements stop happening, we're all f**ked.

So, bring em on.

humberklog · 15-09-2021 09:04AM

Deffo,, the gov should come up with some progressive legislation that can stymie employment creation.

There's probably a few unused manifestos lying about from the previous century that FG could cherry pick from and cobble some sort of "Good Frankentein" Programme for Government from.

If there's a reversal of fortune and there's not enough jobs in the private market we can always jump on the hod or hoe or go netting sparrows.

But I'm with you OP.

Geuze · 15-09-2021 09:05AM

There are 170,000 people unemployed:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/mue/monthlyunemploymentaugust2021/

There are 180,000 people on the Live Register and 140,000 on PUP, that is 320,000 total

15-09-2021 09:19AM

A lot will depend where it is located.

steddyeddy · 15-09-2021 09:21AM

I agree. What's lacking in Ireland is access to housing and public transport. More jobs compound these problems.

timmyntc · 15-09-2021 09:22AM

Our economy is a giant pyramid scheme - reliant on ever increasing population and number of taxpayers.

If the next generation have less jobs/less tax than the previous, then the whole thing topples over. Thats why people cheer new jobs

chrissb8 · 15-09-2021 09:26AM

So wait.....more jobs.....a wealthier population and a stronger economy is a bad thing?

Housing and transport are issues that would be helped with more tax money coming in. More jobs mean more spending power and that means more taxes which can be used to fund housing developments and transport infrastructure.

15-09-2021 09:36AM

A poster on another thread about this issue tried to argue that (1) there wasn't a labour shortage it was some sort of deception by hotel owners or hotel groups (2) if employers paid more they would get more employees how paying more produce more workers were not exactly worked out.

ancapailldorcha · 15-09-2021 09:54AM

More jobs are a good thing but what's really needed is more housing. Having people waste half their income on someone else's mortgage/nest egg isn't beneficial to anyone who isn't receiving the money directly.

timmyntc · 15-09-2021 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893781#Comment_117893781

Thats not a fault of the increase in jobs though - its from short sighted govt policy, and a lack of any housebuilding for half a decade.

That and low interest rates causing asset prices to inflate.

ancapailldorcha · 15-09-2021 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893876#Comment_117893876

True. More jobs is always good but it's not going to help without more housing.

timmyntc · 15-09-2021 10:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893886#Comment_117893886

At this stage there is a bigger chance of the employer providing their own housing for employees than the government or the market - and sure if they MNCs cant get staff due to housing costs/availability, it puts more pressure on government to sort their mess out.

Thelonious Monk · 15-09-2021 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893626#Comment_117893626

This is it, the whole economic system is a disaster. Growth growth growth with no regard for anything else. Some kind of leveling out is required instead of just being slaves to GDP.

15-09-2021 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058208890/great-news-400-new-jobs-announced-attitude-towards-more-jobs

The sweet spot would be high wages and low costs. Possible if not probable.

backwards_man · 15-09-2021 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058208890/great-news-400-new-jobs-announced-attitude-towards-more-jobs

There are still thousands on the live register. Its not entirely true to say anyone who wants a job can get a job. Most people want a career in their field, not just any job. A positive new story is good to read among all the doom and gloom.

Wanderer78 · 15-09-2021 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893547#Comment_117893547

we need to stop this approach to running(ruining) our economy, we need to maintain our current approach, i.e. a perpetual deficit, use this money to create our critical needs, and then use the increased tax revenue, to ultimately service these debts, and of course to run our public services, i.e. money first, then taxation......

Dyr · 15-09-2021 10:56AM

More Jobs! More immigrants for those jobs!

That's okay though, it has zero effect on housing and services because we live on a magical island where cause and effect does not exist!

The Nal · 15-09-2021 10:56AM

I miss the mass lay offs of 2008-2012. Love seeing premises closing down and peoples lives being destroyed.

Cordell · 15-09-2021 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893626#Comment_117893626

All functional economies are like that. But here and in the rest of the developed world there is a shift from the continuous increase in numbers (which is not happening anymore) to an increase in value added which leads to an increase in tax paid per worker.

So, 400 office or other skilled jobs including factory jobs - good, 400 amazon warehouse jobs - not so good.

Pussyhands · 15-09-2021 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893560#Comment_117893560

And yet employers can't get workers.

Pussyhands · 15-09-2021 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894094#Comment_117894094

Now we're at the other end. More jobs just means more immigrants which just means higher house prices.

Or are you forgetting about a whole generation who can't afford to own a home?

Cordell · 15-09-2021 11:43AM

The houses are very cheap in Detroit if you like this sort of way of running an economy.

Wanderer78 · 15-09-2021 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894329#Comment_117894329

our rising house prices are primarily due to running our economy primarily on private sector created money, we call this credit, and a serious lack of supply of houses, immigration is only a very minor entity of this outcome, if at all

Stone Deaf 4evr · 15-09-2021 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893886#Comment_117893886

What if the jobs are building houses?

The Nal · 15-09-2021 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894329#Comment_117894329

Ah I see we're blaming the immigrants.

Cordell · 15-09-2021 12:33PM

Whoever might get the blame, the house prices are an indicator of Ireland having lots of people that earn enough to afford sky high rents and mortgages - this can't be a bad thing no matter how you spin it. There is a very simple solution, that is, build more houses and certainly not have less, and less paid, jobs.

Wanderer78 · 15-09-2021 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894548#Comment_117894548

hahaha yea right, tis nothing to be doing with sectors, whos main aim is continually cause property and land price inflation(our ould butties, the fire sectors(finance, insurance, and real estate!!!!))

15-09-2021 12:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894503#Comment_117894503

He’s blaming levels of immigration, which of course increase demand for housing. It may not be the only factor of course.

Wanderer78 · 15-09-2021 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894569#Comment_117894569

only thats not whats truly causing it

"Great news! 400 new jobs announced" - attitude towards more jobs

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