"Great news! 400 new jobs announced" - attitude towards more jobs

Pussyhands

Why are we still acting like we're in 2012 where a new jobs announcement would be welcome news?

We have a massive labour shortage across all sectors at the moment. Anyone who wants a job can get a job.

Wages are going up, particularly in the professional sector. And they are going up big. This is not a good thing. This will increase property prices and those on the lower paid jobs will be hit.

I just fail to see the positives in new jobs announcements anymore. We don't have enough houses, public transport capacity.

Kermit.de.frog

Yeah we need less jobs

Former Former Former

We need inward investment to keep driving the economy so as to generate the taxes required to pay for houses and public transport.

As soon as these announcements stop happening, we're all f**ked.

So, bring em on.

humberklog

Deffo,, the gov should come up with some progressive legislation that can stymie employment creation.

There's probably a few unused manifestos lying about from the previous century that FG could cherry pick from and cobble some sort of "Good Frankentein" Programme for Government from.

If there's a reversal of fortune and there's not enough jobs in the private market we can always jump on the hod or hoe or go netting sparrows.

But I'm with you OP.

Geuze

There are 170,000 people unemployed:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/mue/monthlyunemploymentaugust2021/

There are 180,000 people on the Live Register and 140,000 on PUP, that is 320,000 total

A lot will depend where it is located.

steddyeddy

I agree. What's lacking in Ireland is access to housing and public transport. More jobs compound these problems.

timmyntc

Our economy is a giant pyramid scheme - reliant on ever increasing population and number of taxpayers.

If the next generation have less jobs/less tax than the previous, then the whole thing topples over. Thats why people cheer new jobs

chrissb8

So wait.....more jobs.....a wealthier population and a stronger economy is a bad thing?

Housing and transport are issues that would be helped with more tax money coming in. More jobs mean more spending power and that means more taxes which can be used to fund housing developments and transport infrastructure.

A poster on another thread about this issue tried to argue that (1) there wasn't a labour shortage it was some sort of deception by hotel owners or hotel groups (2) if employers paid more they would get more employees how paying more produce more workers were not exactly worked out.

ancapailldorcha

More jobs are a good thing but what's really needed is more housing. Having people waste half their income on someone else's mortgage/nest egg isn't beneficial to anyone who isn't receiving the money directly.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893781#Comment_117893781

Thats not a fault of the increase in jobs though - its from short sighted govt policy, and a lack of any housebuilding for half a decade.

That and low interest rates causing asset prices to inflate.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893876#Comment_117893876

True. More jobs is always good but it's not going to help without more housing.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893886#Comment_117893886

At this stage there is a bigger chance of the employer providing their own housing for employees than the government or the market - and sure if they MNCs cant get staff due to housing costs/availability, it puts more pressure on government to sort their mess out.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893626#Comment_117893626

This is it, the whole economic system is a disaster. Growth growth growth with no regard for anything else. Some kind of leveling out is required instead of just being slaves to GDP.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058208890/great-news-400-new-jobs-announced-attitude-towards-more-jobs

The sweet spot would be high wages and low costs. Possible if not probable.

backwards_man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058208890/great-news-400-new-jobs-announced-attitude-towards-more-jobs

There are still thousands on the live register. Its not entirely true to say anyone who wants a job can get a job. Most people want a career in their field, not just any job. A positive new story is good to read among all the doom and gloom.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893547#Comment_117893547

we need to stop this approach to running(ruining) our economy, we need to maintain our current approach, i.e. a perpetual deficit, use this money to create our critical needs, and then use the increased tax revenue, to ultimately service these debts, and of course to run our public services, i.e. money first, then taxation......

Dyr

More Jobs! More immigrants for those jobs!

That's okay though, it has zero effect on housing and services because we live on a magical island where cause and effect does not exist!

The Nal

I miss the mass lay offs of 2008-2012. Love seeing premises closing down and peoples lives being destroyed.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893626#Comment_117893626

All functional economies are like that. But here and in the rest of the developed world there is a shift from the continuous increase in numbers (which is not happening anymore) to an increase in value added which leads to an increase in tax paid per worker.

So, 400 office or other skilled jobs including factory jobs - good, 400 amazon warehouse jobs - not so good.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893560#Comment_117893560

And yet employers can't get workers.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894094#Comment_117894094

Now we're at the other end. More jobs just means more immigrants which just means higher house prices.

Or are you forgetting about a whole generation who can't afford to own a home?

Cordell

The houses are very cheap in Detroit if you like this sort of way of running an economy.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894329#Comment_117894329

our rising house prices are primarily due to running our economy primarily on private sector created money, we call this credit, and a serious lack of supply of houses, immigration is only a very minor entity of this outcome, if at all

Stone Deaf 4evr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893886#Comment_117893886

What if the jobs are building houses?

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894329#Comment_117894329

Ah I see we're blaming the immigrants.

Cordell

Whoever might get the blame, the house prices are an indicator of Ireland having lots of people that earn enough to afford sky high rents and mortgages - this can't be a bad thing no matter how you spin it. There is a very simple solution, that is, build more houses and certainly not have less, and less paid, jobs.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894548#Comment_117894548

hahaha yea right, tis nothing to be doing with sectors, whos main aim is continually cause property and land price inflation(our ould butties, the fire sectors(finance, insurance, and real estate!!!!))

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894503#Comment_117894503

He’s blaming levels of immigration, which of course increase demand for housing. It may not be the only factor of course.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894569#Comment_117894569

only thats not whats truly causing it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894573#Comment_117894573

It can’t not be a factor. If we are building housing at levels of 25,000 per annum to meet internal demand and stabilise house prices then an increase of net 40,000 people in any one year would mean approx 20,000 or so houses or flats would be needed in that year to keep prices stable.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894594#Comment_117894594

its more than likely a factor, but a minor one, if even, its primarily lack of overall supply, this was noted during the 08 crash, we decided it was best to ignore this, so here we are....

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894558#Comment_117894558

As I said, gentrification it's not such a bad problem to have and it's definitely better than the opposite problem. In any case, we shouldn't reject jobs because of it - the OP is rejecting the potential 10K jobs in that potential Intel fab in Oranmore out of fear of house prices completely ignoring that it will be a huge boost for the whole West, pretty much anyone with access to M6, M7 and M18 will get there quicker than to Dublin.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894610#Comment_117894610

ah shur pushing locals out of areas in which they grew up, causes a grand total of fcuk all social problems, and these new, wealthier folks hardly bring their wealth with them, and most importantly, their access to even more credit, so they can further outbid for access to property markets, causing further property price inflation!!!

85603

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894329#Comment_117894329

.... in Dublin. Near their ma.

Cordell

I never said the gentrification is not a problem at all; but the jobs are open to everyone including locals and the people getting these jobs and moving in will spend some of their "wealth" locally.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894682#Comment_117894682

of course theres positives involved, but we continually ignore the negatives, we tend to get blinded by the shillings! we re continually ignoring the world of credit in this game, which is in fact one of the main reasons for our wrecked property markets. you ll also find some wealthy individuals actually dont spend much of their wealth, as they tend to engage in other investments, wealth storage, tax avoidance, etc etc which doest actually really benefit all, so......

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894548#Comment_117894548

Sure, if you think a two tier society is fine. What about those who are not highly skilled. Their wages stay flat while yours goes up 10% a year.

Cordell

What about those who are not highly skilled

What are you proposing, other than denying a better life for those that are?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894781#Comment_117894781

This is the crab-bucket mentality in full effect. Rather than some people become haves, and others have-nots; everyone should be a have-not.

Is that what you really want? No more jobs, just economic desolation and emigration like the Ireland of old?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894826#Comment_117894826

actual functioning wealth taxes, particularly in relation to property and land

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894842#Comment_117894842

You mean higher property taxes, which actually make gentrification worse by making locals no longer able to afford and move out?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058208890/great-news-400-new-jobs-announced-attitude-towards-more-jobs

I love the misery junkies of Ireland. So what is the moan of the day, we have TOO many well-paying jobs!?

ROFL!!

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894885#Comment_117894885

id go with a land value tax, tbh, also reduce our reliance on a credit fueled economy, become more reliant on the public money supply, i.e. deficits, and other methods of public money creation, i.e. public banks etc etc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894744#Comment_117894744

Genuinely wondering what some of your posts have to do with the topic, nobody is being fooled, the world is not going to change to suit your views of how you think it should be, life is hard for some and very easy for others that are just the way it is. I don't mean this harshly but even if the new paradise you envisage came about there would be those who would not thrive in school no matter want intervention they have, who would find the world of work difficult, find housing themselves, and maintaining themselves in housing difficult.

Life is imperfect, there is no system that has all the answers, capitalism for all its fault seems to work for the majority, and there is no sign of it collapsing in Ireland or the western world in general.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893626#Comment_117893626

This is it. The state is the key customer and creating the need as regards housing. As we rely more and more on the tax payer to finance government supported private build to rents at artificially high pricing the bottom will fall out like any other pyramid scheme.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894940#Comment_117894940

theres nothing about paradises here, or utopias, many of the idea i propose, which actually arent my proposals at all, are in fact in action today around the world, and are known to work reasonably well.

funnily enough, im actually a very strong advocate of capitalism, its clearly proven its benefit to mankind, but it looks like most seriously need to do some homework on the history of capitalism. secret, it actually wasnt always like this, this is a relatively new form of capitalism, and its clearly a train wreck, for all, including the wealthy

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894901#Comment_117894901

until etc etc we should welcome some real and actual positives, like new highly paid jobs

Former Former Former

Are people on this thread very young or something?

Ireland has been through prolonged periods of having no money and no jobs, in the not-too-distant past. I can 100% tell you, with absolute certainty, that too much money and too many jobs is a far better situation.

It's not quite as simple as that, but yes some of the posts are bizarre.