Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

King Mob · 13-09-2021 7:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883304#Comment_117883304

Great. So we can all agree that no one is arguing that the government is not capable of that. Super.

Will you now withdraw your false accusations that people were arguing this?

Will you also go back and answer all of the questions you said you'd answer?

Or are you going to keep dodging?

13-09-2021 8:00am

It was mad how they had building 7 wired for demolition the same day planes went into the twin towers though..

Can we stop accusing people of being liars please..

robinph · 13-09-2021 8:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883304#Comment_117883304

And what was the motivation for the wars in Vietnam and Iraq. Did they start those wars solely for the purpose of killing off US citizens?

King Mob · 13-09-2021 8:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883310#Comment_117883310

Well we can when folks stop telling fibs like the one you just told there.

If people don't like being called out on their fibs, maybe they shouldn't do it.

13-09-2021 8:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883320#Comment_117883320

But like, Larry Silverstein was on video saying they decided to "pull it" that evening..

You can't just do that..It has to be wired up..

13-09-2021 8:10am

https://youtu.be/p34XrI2Fm6I

King Mob · 13-09-2021 8:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883327#Comment_117883327

Lol this shite again. Hilarious.

No sorry. It's a lie. The WTC7 building was not demolished.

Larry Silverstein did not say they decided to demolish the building. It makes no sense that he would claim that.

it's a silly childish thing to believe on par with claiming the space program is faked.

This has been explained over and over and over in the 9/11 forum. If you want to discuss the particulars of that lie, there's a bunch of threads on it there. most conspiracy theorists have run away from them though.

It is a great example of why and how the OP's argument is false.

According to conspiracy theorists, WTC7 was rigged to be demolished.

Sometimes it was rigged beforehand, sometimes it was rigged during the day. Sometimes it was rigged with super secret, super advanced nanothermite explosives that explode silently. Sometimes it was destroyed with a space laser.

Whichever version you believe, all of the options necessarily require that 100s if not thousands of people were involved. it would require a huge team of expert demolition engineers who were operating in secret on a project that had never been attempted before or since. It would require teams of experts to develop the plan and the technology to pull it off. It would require teams of agents to keep the whole operation secret. It would require every single expert in the NIST and other organisations to be involved to fake the scientific papers write about WTC7's collapse. it would require an army of admin staff to keep all of this straight and the pay offs continuously going.

And then it would also require several levels of government involved to pull all of that without being noticed.

And depending on which flavour of conspiracy you've swallowed, all the insurence companies and firefighters are also in on it.

And then according to you, the only leak of all of this is when Larry Silverstien ups and confesses on camera to a national TV show?

Again, this kind of theory makes our case for us.

13-09-2021 8:23am

Ah, there's video of him saying it above you there..

King Mob · 13-09-2021 8:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883347#Comment_117883347

Yup. And has had been explained on the 9/11 form, you guys keep misinterpreting what he says.

You also keep ignoring the fact that it make zero sense for him to be confessing there.

This has been done to death. And it's irrelevant to the thread. If you're desperate to discuss the particulars of why that factoid has been debunked, I'd be happy to address it there as it's a very fun one to try and explain.

You also ignore the other point of how your silly conspiracy belief contradicts the op.

How many people do you believe were involved in demolishing WTC7?

Doesn't have to be exact figures. A rough estimate would be fine.

13-09-2021 8:47am

I don't see how I'm misrepresenting anything..You're the one who apparently has an insight into his psychology and what he actually meant, as opposed to what he just said like..

But yeah, no point, it's an old argument. .

robinph · 13-09-2021 8:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883401#Comment_117883401

So assuming for a second that he meant what you claim, how many people were involved in the destruction of the building? How come nobody has leaked the details? Why would they intentionally destroy it?

King Mob · 13-09-2021 8:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883401#Comment_117883401

Again, we see that conspiracy theorists like yourself misinterpret things and statements all the time. There's a perfect example of this in the last few pages in fact.

And again, you ignore the fact that it makes no sense for him to do that. And you also ignore the vast vast majority of the actual quote to just focus on those two words.

Again, if you want to discuss this and show that this silly conspiracy claim isn't debunked nonsense, there's a whole forum for it.

If you don't want to discuss it, maybe don't bring up it randomly and use it as an example of how conspiracy theorists don't lie.

And again, you ignore the question I asked that's actually on topic.

How many people do you believe were involved in the secret demolition of WTC7?

13-09-2021 9:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883327#Comment_117883327

I don't care about Larry Silvertstein I get get the context in which he said it.

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2021 9:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883401#Comment_117883401

Larry Silverstein said "pull it", he meant pull the firefighters from around the building

He clarified this. His office clarified this. Nope, conspiracy people on the internet have decided he meant "demolish the building", and they've decided he admitted it live on national television.

All explained in this impossible to misunderstand video

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2p3li7

13-09-2021 9:33am

deal a lot with civil satellite stuff...

sorry guys, the earth is spheroid, space travel is going to be a thing, the moon landings weren't faked , and technology is far far advanced from what general Joe Shmoe has access to... and that's just the civil stuff... some of the military stuff has silly capabilities from the snippets of declassified stuff that you can find out, that probably won't be seen in general consumer markets for up to 10 years

the space race was a dick waving exercise where the US has more knowledge and money and would have smoked the USSR in it except for, wait for it.... espionage.... people not keeping secrets

furthermore, the reason the moon landings weren't attempted by the USSR, is because they focused on building nukes and submarines and hadn't the knowledge, or money to keep up ...

The only reason it's hotting up again is China and India are trying to land projects there to access the dark side of the moon, for classified projects, which the US doesn't like..

guise how they found that out....

espionage...

people not keeping secrets...

I see a trend

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 10:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883347#Comment_117883347

If someone was at a Aintree and heard a trainer talking about pulling an injured horse, would this involve setting off a controlled explosion to destroy it?

Or is there more than one possible meaning for the term 'pulling'?

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 10:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883401#Comment_117883401

This is such a clever conspiracy that nobody involved in the demolition of WTC7 (who presumably knew about the destruction of the Twin Towers too) has come forward, but like a character on Scooby Doo, the main villain accidentally blew the whole thing in front of a TV camera. OOPS!

13-09-2021 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883876#Comment_117883876

Well if the horse collapsed in on itself with puffs of smoke going off sequentially up its legs then maybe..

Like, we're talking about what looked extremely like a controlled explosion..

What is your explanation for why it fell at freefall speed?

It was announced on the BBC before it happened..

Anyway..it was 20 years ago..Jeez, I'm sorry for bringing it up..Even talking about it is very 2006..

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883923#Comment_117883923

I love the image of the horse going up in smoke!

Well, if what actually happened was that the floors collapsed one onto the other, sequentially, and the air getting compressed inside the building is blowing out the windows, that would look very much the same, right? Incidentally, I saw a video I had not seen before of tower 1 collapsing and you can clearly see the part above the plane impact tipping over rather than falling straight down. The stuff about them falling in their own footprint is just complete nonsense - what does that mean in a context where deris was falling on people hundreds of metres from the collapse?

This explanation a) makes sense and b) you can see and hear it and c) does not require an elaborate conspiracy on TOP of the conspiracy we know for a fact did exist, involving hijacked planes.

13-09-2021 11:17am

And the bbc reporting on it before it fell down?

magicbastarder · 13-09-2021 11:17am

the BBC were in on it?

13-09-2021 11:21am

Well, they reported that it had happened then it actually happened behind them on screen..

robinph · 13-09-2021 11:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883923#Comment_117883923

They had noticed the building was bulging and potentially going to collapse hours beforehand, all firefighters were moved away from it in advance. Presumably at come point a news wire states something along the lines of "WTC7 area evacuated due to it being likely to collapse" and then someone else miss reads that as "WTC7 collapsed" then it gets reported on a news channel desperate for new news about what is going on.

Your alternative scenario happens how exactly?

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 11:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883998#Comment_117883998

This has all been explained before. I can't remember the details but it was something like someone saying something into the earpiece they misunderstood (like being told that the fire fighters were being pulled from the building). It's been explained in a more plausible way than that the BBC were also in on the conspiracy.

On the controlled explosion question, if you look at videos, you will see that controlled demoltions start at the bottom of a building. In the case of the WTC, the collapse starts at the point where the fire has weakend the steel structure (at different points in each building), and the weight of the rest of the building falling onto the floor below causes a cascading collapse. Quite different to the look of a controlled demolition beyond the superficial element of a very tall building falling down.

magicbastarder · 13-09-2021 11:29am

OK, i am faced with a choice to make about which is more likely - the BBC knew/had info that the towers would fall before they actually did, or what was on screen behind them was not on-the-second live. i know which i'll plump for there.

and that's assuming you're reporting the sequence accurately.

13-09-2021 11:34am

Whatever lads..

**This has all been explained before..**

Look..It's a question of cognitive bias really..Some people really don't want to have their worldview questioned..

And it was a stream of a woman reporting on it and it happened behind her..No stream being behind or anything..

Jesus, it's no wonder they can attempt these things when some go to such lengths to disregard any anomalies..

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 11:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884068#Comment_117884068

But why are you so keen to dismiss the much bigger holes in the conspiracy narrative? I'm very happy to have my worldview questioned - but when that worldview stops being based in reality, it becomes unfalsifiable - a religion. I'm not religious.

I don't believe in the 9/11 grand conspiracy theories because they ridiculous and full of holes. The conspiracy theorists cannot even agree with each other as there are dozens of 'explanations', all much harder to believe and with far less proof than the accepted facts. But sure, it's fun speculating on this stuff.

robinph · 13-09-2021 11:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884068#Comment_117884068

So to attempt to answer the question set out in this thread being how many people were involved, we have at least a few reporters in the US and London along with their producers or whoever fed them the pre-approved script to read about the WTC7 collapse and they are all in on the conspiracy. They are presumably all still getting paid off to keep quiet about it though as none of them have mentioned being in on the plan as yet.

So how many people were involved in rigging the building? Was this done before September 11th and if so didn't the staff in the building notice if being rigged for explosives and why haven't any of them mentioned anything?

Or was it an opportune decision to destroy WTC7 only taken that day? How did they manage to get the demolition experts on site and everything rigged up whilst there was already fires happening in the building and the firefighters attempting to deal with that? How come none of those firefighters noticed anything or mentioned it since?

Or maybe it was just a miss read news wire about the area being evacuated due to potential building collapse?

13-09-2021 11:44am

WTC7 doesn’t make any sense as a conspiracy anyway. Why did the conspiracy bring down a building not designed to be hit by the planes? Was it to leave clues?

(and I believe something was strange about 9/11. )

13-09-2021 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883313#Comment_117883313

Yes.

Literally.

The Gulf of Tonkin was a literal false flag which was dismissed earlier in this thread.

Saddam Hussein had zero weapons of mass destruction. The Yanks are still in Iraq.

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884185#Comment_117884185

Why is the USA deliberately killing its servicemen? What is the end goal?

13-09-2021 12:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884214#Comment_117884214

A lot of money for defence contractors.

King Mob · 13-09-2021 12:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884068#Comment_117884068

But they have all been explained before. Repeatedly.

Conspiracy theorists usually end up whinging and running away when faced with this.

And then when they are faced with basic questions about their own beliefs they do what you do and ignore and evade.

Why do you do that?

Why are you so afraid of questions?

Isn't it hypocritical for you to whinge about people not wanting their beliefs questions while you are avoiding questions?

For example you were asked how many people were involved in the secret demolition of wtc7.

Could you answer this now please?

13-09-2021 12:05pm

Lads, ye won't win this argument.

I could make yer argument better than ye.

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884224#Comment_117884224

So they can't think of *any* way to get money to these people without going through the intermediary step of starting wars and deliberately killing their own soldiers? Fraudsters routinely take hundreds of millions from large companies every year - companies that are tightly audited, have lots of internal controls and are accountable to shareholders. Kleptocracies around the world (e.g. Russia) siphon billions into the pockets of people annually.

Yet, in the US, they can't think of how to line people's pockets without deliberately killing their own people?

OK then.

13-09-2021 12:11pm

3 people could have wired up building 7 in the weeks before when the elevators were sealed off for maintenance..

13-09-2021 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884248#Comment_117884248

For Christ sake, it's why the British conquered most of the known world.

They didn't do it for the good of their health.

Stay out of this conversation, you're out of your depth.

robinph · 13-09-2021 12:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884185#Comment_117884185

Not familiar with that, but a quick look at the Wiki page suggests that no US casualties from that incident, just a couple of slightly damaged boats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

What did the US go into Iraq for? Was it for the purpose of killing their military? Why are they still there, is that because they still want a way to kill off their young men?

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2021 12:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883923#Comment_117883923

The building didn't fall at freefall speed, it took around 14-16 seconds to fall. The internals failed first, then the outer facade fell as one

It was misreported on the BBC. There had been chatter and speculation for hours that it was going to collapse. 24 live news makes mistakes all the time.

If I recall you've been in discussions where all of this has been explained, so there's no excuse.

13-09-2021 12:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884286#Comment_117884286

No casualties from the War in Vietnam?????

Piss off.

robinph · 13-09-2021 12:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884281#Comment_117884281

So they conquered the world because they wanted to kill off their own citizens?

robinph · 13-09-2021 12:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884297#Comment_117884297

Going to have to repeat the query about if English is your first language or not as you are really struggling with comprehending very simple sentences at the moment?

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884281#Comment_117884281

Ah now, you're making this too easy with emotional outbursts like that. If you can't refute a point, it's fine to admit it. Peoeple will actually respect you instead of looking down on you.

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2021 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884297#Comment_117884297

"US casualties from that incident" - it's right there in the post you are quoting

13-09-2021 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884310#Comment_117884310

As I've said before, I won't even insult you with the suggestion.

Live debate offer is still open if you want to test my comprehension skills.

13-09-2021 12:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884322#Comment_117884322

58,000 American men and women died as a result.

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 12:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884268#Comment_117884268

Or maybe fairies did it? If we are just going to invent stuff, why limit our imaginations?

robinph · 13-09-2021 12:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884330#Comment_117884330

You were talking about the Gulf of Tonkin though, not the Vietnam War, and using it as proof of the US deliberately killing their citizens for no reason other than that they could.

13-09-2021 12:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884351#Comment_117884351

The Gulf of Tonkin got the USA into the Vietnam War.

Not even the most American historians dispute this.

generic_throwaway · 13-09-2021 12:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884351#Comment_117884351

I think his argument is that evil American all-powerful cabals can't think of any way to funnel money to people without staging wars which require them to deliberately kill their own people.

Their lack of basic knowledge of how the world works makes me wonder how they are all powerful in the first place but what do I know, I'm out of my depth here.

Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

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