Katherine Zappone Envoy Gig

Jaysus, we have had a veritable full house of soundbites there. "Sindo, Dinny, da Dublin Media...."

Why is it that some SF supporters remarkably resemble the MAGA hat Trump supporters when it comes to 'da media'?

Anyway, nothing you have said convinces me that SF will get near an overall majority. They need to be well into the 40% mark consistently when it comes to polling.

One can always spot an FG type by its insults. They are really quite binary in nature. To them, one is either FG or not. In previous times, FGers would accuse people of being FF supporters. Now, as SF is the largest party, they accuse people of being SF supporters. The Trump reference is for bonus points as it was FG who was traditionally pro-Republican Party and now seeks to hide that fact. I noticed the Trump talking point being pushed a while ago by FGers. It was a particularly cack-handed FG PR effort to associate SF with Trump.

As for the Sindo/Indo terms, they are a kind of shorthand for IN&M. Dinny O'Brien had to sell his shares in IN&M for around 45 million Euro having spent around 500 million Euro acquiring them. And the Dublin media is a rather incestuous village media when viewed by people with experience of the media outside of Ireland. It was easy for FG to control these gombeens but now that stranglehold is rapidly disappearing. The implications of that might be dire for the crony coalition and some of the cheerleaders for FF/FG will have to reinvent themselves to survive.

It is the binary FG/not FG thing that has led FG to having one of its worst GE results ever. It has reduced Coveny's political stature to that of a garden gnome as it tried to create a makey-up job for its crony Zappone. Unless FG does something quickly, its incompetence is going to accelerate the possibility of an SF majority government when the crony coalition collapses.

And now the usual suspects want to commemorate the RIC/Black and Tans again.

Regards...jmcc

This is bringing the thread off-topic and I want to respect the mods, but at the end of the day, SF won't be getting an overall majority. There is simply not enough votes out there for them to achieve that. You can believe that they will, but belief is just that.

As to your comments, well if you constantly go on about 'da Dublin media' in such pejorative terms, and how they are also soooo unfair to SF, then comparisons to Trump's view on the media are very apt indeed. Nobody else is banging on about the 'Dublin media' but you.

Yes, was interesting that the Indo gave a fair bit of coverage to Leo at the festival and even published the photo in the online version anyway but I don’t think the Irish Times had a single word about it. Obviously wanted to kill the story.

It's a fair point re not featuring the infamous festival photo, I suspect more to do with how and when it updates its website particularly over weekends. But I have to disagree re their general coverage and them wishing to kill the story, certainly not. Their focus is primarily political and they have been as damning as any other publication.

I did watch prime time and it's correct SF have not asked for resignations YET! But to suggest they've said nothing is completely incorrect and they are certainly not alone in this regard.

Timing has to be put into context, Opposition parties know Dail in recess, they are playing the waiting came, they know like most of us, FG will go into hiding for a few days, they equally know there's going to be in-fighting at FFG think ins and sensibly waiting to see what other information will materialise. Let's not forget Pearse Doherty has also put in a FOI request to Paschals department. Let's also not forget a motion of no confidence is likely and better put down when Dail as actually returned.

I commend in particular Social Democrat's and SF for their responses to date, Labour seem to be asleep on this entire debacle and also commend a small few FFG deputies for having some courage to speak out .

Gosh you were kept busy in the wee hours 😏 seems a certain cohort comes out at night. Some excellent points raised over night but of course we know, there will remain, those who despite their loyalties fail to see anything untoward having occurred throughout this debacle.

Always fascinated me that the Tired old Blame SF for everything game is rolled out every time FG caught acting the maggot. Some outlandish claims such as dictatorships at play and absurd accusations of Homophopia just because people disagree with Leo's breathtaking arrogance are just Tiresome.

But of course most right thinking ,sensible and objective observers see this entire debacle for what it truly is, Shameful, Shenanigans and quite disgraceful.

The FG cult membership may not like it, but this entire charade has damaged FG's credibility, few can deny this with a straight face 😏 but of course some will

Still working. Lightning and brown-outs are not a great combination and a few terrabyte databases had to be checked. I watched a few committee meetings in the past but Coveney was being made to defend the indefensible. At times it was hard not to have some pity for him because the other politicians were doing such a good job on the questions. There seems to be a list of insults ready for anyone who questions FG. The questioner must be an SFer and therefore their opinion doesn't matter. The questioner must be a Trump supporter because FG has been trying to claim that SF supported Trump (a very odd claim). The terrifying thing about the FFG coalition is that they really believe they are the smartest guys in the room (Enron reference). There's a general sense of frustration among some FG supporters over the Zappone/Merriongate thing because it has dragged on and she is not an FGer.

Regards...jmcc

Had considered location of posters but still no excuse for silliness 😏

I'm referring to theirs and others Robust opposition, dragging entirely irrelevant matters into this thread clearly an attempt to deflect and I'm not going to engage that nonsense.

I'm not a SF supporter and have made my feelings on this matter very clear.

I doubt SF will force this to a VOC.

FG won't wear losing Coveney, they are too arrogant and the government will fall.

I'd imagine politics is coming into it, SF are not ready for a GE.

They are happy with the massive reputational damage done here.

That's why I think the most likely VOC will come from Gary Gannon and the SD's.

That's all based on nothing more coming out of course, and Paschal avoiding the doodah.

Not over yet and there will be fireworks when the Dáil returns

I don't think SF ever promised to do rash things.

If they aren't ready to maximise their vote why force a GE? That would be politically stupid.

The power swap is on the rack, and SF will be happy with them there. Massive reputational damage to the FG's membership's golden boy, and the sense across the entire electorate that he narrowly avoided the noose.

I would expect the FOI on Paschal is designed to do the same to him and god knows, this whole thing is just so seedy and classic cronyism, what else might tumble out.

I wouldn't be naive enough to think that good old politics are in play here.