Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

I personally think this would be a backward appointment for Kerry. I would fear that he's been left behind by the modern game. His work with our U20's (where things get a bit more tactical than Minor) would lead me to this. His term with Kildare wouldn't exactly have been much to write about either.

There is a dearth of candidates for the job within the county. Fitzmaurice and less so Jack are probably the only two candidates. Perhaps Pat O'Shea, but I don't think his current role at Munster GAA would allow it. Nobody really at the top table at club level that would stand out IMO. Nobody who has managed at underage level over the last 3 years would fill me with a load of confidence either.

No doubt we're probably too proud to consider someone from outside the county, even though the same vacuum of candidates probably exists there too.

A very negative post, my apologies! 😒

Have to disagree Bass(on the obsession with the manager point), it's the manager that ultimately decides the game plan, you say later in your post how we owed the ball, which in Many parts of the game we did.our own Kick strategy was 100% for a change and we cleaned tyrone out, the lads were clearly instructed by management to go for goals, PK even said it after the game, slight paraphrase here "last year we were criticised for not getting goals, so this year we wanted to put that right"

I've rewatched it a few times now, trying to focus on different things each time, and the more I watch it, the simpler it seems to have won. Alright we can go into the nitty gritty if we want a perfect performance, but the game was simple lost on the line.

The amount of effort put in by the lads was massive, the amount of hard running they did was frightening, trying to implement the managers gameplay. While tyrone were allot more economical with their defence in the main remaining in position.

If we take our points and keep the score board ticking! We build a lead and as the game progresses, Tyrone have to start taking more chances and come out! Then the space is there for the goals. It seems PK thought we would just overrun them early rather then have to break them down. I don't think it's a massive S+C or player type problem, it's just a case of a manager getting it wrong with a fital decision and then failing to realise it in time. So no massive return to the drawing for me, but a new more tactically aware manager is called for.

It may be a bit of both @cute geoge, Whatever about being short a couple of players they conceded 35 turnovers to Tyrone by running recklessly at their defence all day long when it wasn’t working, and they didn’t really change anything, even in to ET they were still at it. You can’t win at this level doing that. The approach and game planning is down to Peter Keane and his backroom support, it’s difficult to argue that they got it right on the day.

There were also matchups lost, individual errors made, and some simple incidents of misfortune that contributed to the defeat without a doubt. It’s not one definitive area where they fell short, it was more a combination of factors in my opinion.

I have heard many people say that Kerry didn’t show up. I don’t actually agree. There were some really good individual performances from Kerry and they battled really well throughout but Tyrone knew how to frustrate them and take them out of their comfort zone.

This is his third year in charge. What he has shown is that he seems to be incapable of influencing a game from the sideline at this level. The management team decided to dispense with Donie Buckley( I actually defended a managers right to pick his management team) in hindsight this seems not to have been the correct decision.

I cannot understand the rational of putting a lad center back that had lost his place at wingback. Would Crowley have held the center better that PM.

After ten minutes in the match the last day I said to a friend if we did not start taking our point's we would lose the match. Anybody with any bit of tactical nous would have been screaming it from the sideline at that stage and given out yards at the first water break if your advice was not followed.

We won every kickout in the first half from both goal keepers and were lucky to go in only a point down. Tyrone set up without 2-3 marquee forwards every commentators said that Tyrone was going to set up defensively and we tried to run through them got turned over and Tyrone scored from these turnovers. We seemed to have it in our head about creating goals not putting the ball over the bar.

Finally the last goal Tyrone scored was the third goal that we conseeded from a hit and hope type ball since last October. One against Cork , Tommy Walsh was in front of his man, against Dublin in the league Diarmuid O Connor was in front of his man and last day it was Jack Barry and guess what he was in front of his man. If we play the type of game we do did anyone not coach players that might be one on one in that situation how to deal with a high ball since Tommy Walsh conseeded against Cork.

So sorry if the manager is not to blame who the f@@k is

Kerry have 2 marquee forwards. How many do you realistically need to win an All Ireland. At 5 points down after the third goal Kerry played well and scored some good points. I think at that stage the players said to hell with it and the shackles came off. By the way the last free to draw the game in normal time was what a friend of mine from Kerry would called a puddin of a free.

When do the Kerry County Board decide if they will renew Peter Keane or look elsewhere. After the dust has settled from last week what is the general feeling in Kerry 're a new management team?

Presume players would be consulted.

We're hardly going back there

Not to any great extent. While there is an old saying Players play, Managers manage and administrators administrate. It would be totally unfair to ask players do they want Keane to stay on. Most have been involved since minor with him. While you might normally take soundings from a few senior players. All of them are at there career end now.

I would not read too much into it at present. 8 hour return journey is a huge ask 3-4 times a week. You would really want to like driving and your own company.

Having said all that he was not the worst manager we had. Biggest issue was the book he wrote and he lost player trust because of that. However he was unlucky not to win in 2011. He was ow like any .anager to we'd the knife. However all of the baggage with the last team is not gone except for Moran. He had a lot of the present squad as minors so knows them. My worry would be is he be out of sync with the modern game. I prefer him to Fitzmaurice. I expect he would have Declan O Sullivan with him. They were always tight.

I wirh the him with DOC and a good coaching structure and no book even after he leave if DOC was still involved

Why the Jack O'Connor hate?

3 AI titles in 7 years, surely the best record after Micko.

The timing is to spot on to be a coincidence surely. I like Jack myself. Interesting to see how he gets on if he gets it

No he hasn't as of yet, but his 3 year term is up so technically he doesn't have to resign. Just say he's not seeking an extension for a year or 2.

If Jack O'Connor is the next manager, I suspect that DOS will be part of the set up more as a selector than a coach. The two of them were very tight.

U20's are a funny age group to manage. Nowadays you be missing the leaving certificate class early in the year, with it ran off so early. College players may not be available until early June.

I am not sure how it worked out this year, were many on the Senior panel. Look at what happened with SOS in 2017 Fitzmaurice put him in the senior panel, never used him and refused to release him for U21 games or club games either.

There is a massive difference between club/ district team management and County management. While Hack and Pat O Shea made the jump. It would be hard not to win with East Kerry with the pick they have

mayb not the worst manager... but he had pretty decent players to work with.. wed love to have some of them now... he beat the mighty mayo in 2 finals... he failed against tyrone... he was not unlucky in 2011... had he taken off his pet who was clearly feelin the ill-effects of a very dangerous challenge that dublin joe didnt punish... the ball would not have been lost at midfield.. and mcmenamin would not have waltzed past him for that game changing goal... but i suppose given that kennelly got away with a similar challenge in final 2 yrs earlier we cant complain... we def need to move on from Peter.. if team was on an upward trajectory i would say he should say.. but team has been going backwards since 2019 drawn game withe the Dubs... the problem with Jack is its all about Jack... Brolly had a really piece in yesterdays paper about political culture v high performance culture..... not taking off declan in 2011 was political.... jim gavin most definitely operated a high perfomance culture.. his treatment of bernard brogan showed that... personally i think there must a young hungry manager out there who would be more in touch than Jack.. it is almoost 20 years since he began his 1st stint with kerry (hard to believe) i remember being in colaiste na sceilge the day after waterford beat kerry in 2003 munster u21 football final... jack was u21 manager.. he came into the room and i asked him when would his appointment as kerry manager be made public... he wasnt in the best of form and told me twas the furthest thing from his mind!! sure a couple of weeks later he got the job... he was certainly a breath of fresh air that time... not sure he could repeat it tho...

Honestly, the more I think about it! Sure the deal must be done an all to say he's stepped down as Kildale manager.....