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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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    #7802
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,799 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117841944#Comment_117841944

    They're desperate for any reason that Brexit could be a good thing, even if it's completely fabricated or flies in the face of obvious facts. So far, Brexit has humiliated the UK, partitioned it, created myriad supply issues, caused labour shortages and empty shelves and that's just off the top of my head. I'm not sure why in 2021 the debate is being rehashed yet again as one of Britain's two governing parties enacted Brexit while the other has acknowledged that this is how things are now. Nobody is talking about rejoin but I suppose any distraction will do.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7803
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842015#Comment_117842015

    If its accelerated Scottish independence and a United Ireland , Job done!!!!

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #7804
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,799 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842084#Comment_117842084

    It hasn't just accelerated those things, it's virtually guaranteed them. The SNP have the perfect excuse to deploy any time they drop the ball from now on until independence while Belfast has already been aligned with Dublin and Brussels thanks to the DUP deftly making the worst pig's ear out of the best political hand any NI Unionist party has ever held.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7805
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842084#Comment_117842084

    That might ultimately be the big outcome of Brexit and even a supposed "Brexit benefit". Perhaps people in 20 or 25 year's time will be saying "Brexit had numerous downsides, but at least it gained Scotland their independence and unified Ireland, so it wasn't all bad".



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    #7806
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842291#Comment_117842291

    Not by anyone that voted for Brexit though.



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    #7807
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842291#Comment_117842291

    it depends what happens to the EU and the Euro in the next 20 years. Any big negative there , the smarter Brexit will look.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #7808
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,799 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842608#Comment_117842608

    Well, no. Britain's fate is tied to the continent. The EU is its biggest trading partner. Any European disaster is going to affect the British as much as, if not more so than the Europeans.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7809
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842664#Comment_117842664

    it would affect them sure but they would have hedged their position as much as was possible

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #7810
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,914 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831750#Comment_117831750

    If they were doing the "taking control of our border" thing properly like the US/Canada/Aus they could offer visas to truck drivers and hospitality workers but instead they went with some stupid "only rich foreigners allowed" rule



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    #7811
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,799 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842724#Comment_117842724

    By doing what, exactly?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7812
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842724#Comment_117842724

    The UK have not created a more advantageous position for themselves since their "independence" from the EU. Any trade deal they have agreed to has left them in a worse position that what they had when they were a member of the EU.

    In addition, if they wish to trade with the EU, then they must follow any EU rules for which they now have absolutely no imput into.

    So in what way have they hedged their position? It is more like the Brexit bus has been steered into the hedge!



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    #7813
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,295 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842949#Comment_117842949

    Exactly. They had everything they have now while in the EU, while also not having very many things now that they had then. It's almost like they gave away real tangible benefits, for the promise of magic beans



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    #7814
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842608#Comment_117842608

    It would take a series of quite calamitous events for the EU to break up and the Euro to be dissolved as a currency. The original EEC is over 60 years old and has grown and grown during that period. The global financial crash put it under strain but it weathered that storm successfully. It would take something like a new Great Depression or war in Europe to bring it down (and how would Brexit UK escape the impact of such disastrous events? WW2 for example bankrupted the country).



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    #7815
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843050#Comment_117843050

    Also, there seems to be suggestions from Brexiteers that the EU is just another version of the Soviet Union, which lasted for around 70 years and that it's destined to go the same way. But that was an oppressive dictatorship and authoritarian state, with most of its citizens living in poverty. It's a wonder it even lasted 70 years....it was already clearly a busted flush by the 1970s and 1980s.



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    #7816
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭eire4


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842291#Comment_117842291

    I think and have felt since brexit happened that both of those 2 outcomes would result pretty much directly from the fiasco that is brexit. So like you say not all bad then.



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    #7817
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭fash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842949#Comment_117842949

    Yes indeed- they've impoverished themselves- it's harder to prep for disaster when you are poor.



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    #7818
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Following reports of blood vial supplies running low meaning blood testing was curtailed, now it seems that the HGV driver shortage will result in delays in distributing the flu vaccine...

    https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1434045101261705218?s=19




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    #7819
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,799 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Economist this week has an article which highlights that while the truck driver shortage seems to be Europe-wide, Brexit has significantly exacerbated the situation here in the UK. I recall countless times when Brexiters praised Australia's immigration system on the basis that they could be flexible and the UK has made no move to do the same here.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7820
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845564#Comment_117845564

    Two of my son's friends went to Australia on the strength of hgv licences and if you've seen 'wanted down under',hairdressers and carpet fitters for example are also eligible.

    The UK government refusing to treat hgv drivers as skilled workers is a serious mistake which hopefully will come back to haunt them as the situation worsens.



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    #7821
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845564#Comment_117845564

    A key point that the Brexiteers ignore though is that immigration to Australia is much higher than in the UK. One in three people were born outside the country. They go on and on about Australia's "control" of immigration, when the place is awash with migrant workers and is very much a pro-immigration country.



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    #7822
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭yagan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845951#Comment_117845951

    Another thing Brexiters don't mention when lauding Australia is that it has a less diverse economy than Saudi Arabia and is now essentially entirely dependent on Chinese commodities demand to keep their domestic debt bubble inflated.

    I think the Australia some Brexiters desire is of the White Australia era.



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    #7823
    ancapailldorcha
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    Off topic posts removed.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7824
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117842949#Comment_117842949

    thats not what I was talking about

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #7825
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843022#Comment_117843022

    im not predicting anything and there is nothing in it for me to talk down the euro or EU but the Euro is only 20 years old, Sterling is hundreds of year's old. Just had a quick look at Debt to GDP, Greece was greater than 200% at 2020, Italy is greater than 150% and Italy Im sure is going nowhere good economically and demographically, so there are some obvious icebergs out there

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #7826
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848736#Comment_117848736

    I agree that the Euro currency itself could run into problems and there is no guarantee that it will survive.

    Collapse of the EU seems much less likely though. There's no reason it can't get to its 100th anniversary and beyond (right wing Europhobes ranting about its demise in the English press is just hot air.....they may as well be talking about the US breaking up).



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    #7827
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849563#Comment_117849563

    From an economics and trade point of view, the only way Brexit could possibly be a win was if the EU did break up, I often wonder if it had been managed better if it could have spurred on any other countries (instead of having the opposite affect)?



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    #7828
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,914 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117850055#Comment_117850055

    There is no way it could have been handled better.

    It was utterly impossible from the outset that leaving the trade block and then trying get a better deal from the outside could have been a success



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    #7829
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848694#Comment_117848694

    You said that they would have hedged their position against a European disaster as much as possible.

    However, I was pointing out that their current position is a one where they are much worse off that had rhey remained in the union. Hedging yourself when you are in a weak position won't insulate you much from said disaster.



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    #7830
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117850206#Comment_117850206

    For the EU to facilitate a situation where Britain was better off out outside the EU would have been a form of existential self-sabotage.



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    #7831
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117850055#Comment_117850055

    Unlikely I would have thought. The main impetus to leave the EU in Britain came from an assorted collection of cranks, misfits, xenophobic nationalists, shysters etc. Very few serious politicians or economists ever put forward a case to actually withdraw from the union. The leader of UKIP was a crank who failed six times to become an MP. Hard to see how any member state would ever have drawn inspiration for their future from these guys.



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