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Murder at the Cottage | Sky

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭mossie


    If the man died in 2001 he was probably quiet old and frail just four years earlier?

    Not necessarily. He could have developed a terminal illness in the course of those 4 years and died as a result but been in prime health in 1997. The whole scenario is unlikely anyway but there's no reason to suppose the (probably mythical) Guard would have been frail 4 years before his death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Are you sure Bill wasn't the one projecting and Ian accusing him?

    Or was it perhaps the simplest explanation. Two people after a night in the pub, a few more drinks at a house party. After a night of baiting in the pub and Bill repeating rumours that were being spread in the area, Ian giving a sarcastic retort to Bill saying he (Bill) did it.

    How anyone can construe it as a confession baffles me.

    It seems there's only one type of projection going on - convolutedly twisting the most innocent of events in the most negative way remotely possible to fit a preconceived guilt.

    After all if Ian Bailey wasn't locked up immediately there was sure to be a string of similar murders and soon there wouldn't be a woman left alive in West Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Bailey is a "violent madman" apparently, he is so good as covering his tracks he has murdered 6 other women and left no trace. Destroyed all evidence the person existed.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    The High Court could subpoena any of the gardai involved, retired or not. At least two of the detectives I've seen mentioned in the proceedings were retired but still had to give evidence in the High Court. So that criticism no longer applies to the case as a whole.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    When you put the statement in its full context you can see why Bill Fuller considered it to be IB talking about himself. After IB said this Bill Fuller says he said 'that sounds like something you would do' and IB replied with something like 'that's how I met Jules, but she let me in'.

    Bill Fuller would have no way of knowing that Sophie was hit on the back of the head as she tried to escape either, and he never previously claimed to have seen her in the Spar himself that day. In one of the statements, which JT says she did not actually say, the garda report says JT said IB had told her he had seen Sophie in Spar that weekend. Ceri Williams gave a statement that she saw Sophie coming out of Spar and IB was across the road. The gardai just joined the dots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,462 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "You saw her in Spar and she turned you on, walking up the aisle with her tight arse. You went to see what you could get and she was not interested."

    When I first saw this statement I was convinced it was Bailey repeating to Fuller what the interrogating Garda said to Bailey,

    and Fuller mishearing or misinterpreting him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    Don't know if your naive or deliberately being silly. There is a history of AGS corruption. The recent Dublin gangwar led to 3- 4 corrupt AGS members being unearthed. One committed suicide in a police station before being found out.

    There is police corruption in almost every country. Why do you think Drew Harris was appointed in the first place??

    Even with this case from what we know we've evidence being stolen from evidence room and being used to bribe a member of the public. We've tampering with case files removal of witness reports, loss of evidence. This isn't negligent either as its selective. This is covering up.

    I suspect Jim Sheridans season two will go this route and cerain members of AGS will be begging for impunity. As detective Dwyer said himself "there's no timelimit on justice".



  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i would be happy to but don't know how to edit or delete the quote or delete the post with the quote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,494 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Fyi you cant delete and can only edit it for first 24 hours.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    IB's first arrest was after this though, I think it was only a few days afterwards. Bill Fuller said he went to talk to IB to tell him there were rumours going around that he might be a suspect. His arrest and release were publicised so there would be no reason for Bill Fuller to got to Ian to tell him there were rumours after he was actually arrested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Sophie's son on the Late Late tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Not surprised hes on and nobody on from Baileys side, wouldn't expect anything better from that cretin Tubirdy. Expecting to see another Netflix style hatchet job on Bailey while simultaneously completely disregarding our own legal system & endorsing the French kangaroo court. Might as well get Detective Dwyer on too to say how superbly the Gards handled the investigation.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Expecting Tubs to wring every last drop of emotion out of this. Even though the murder was 25 years ago, and lets be honest, Mum wasn't exactly around all the time. She wasn't even planning to spend Christmas with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭mossie


    He was spending Christmas with his father, it's not like she abandoned him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭CowgirlBoots


    Do you have children? Are you divorced? Usually, in such situations, the years alternate - one Xmas with Mom, the next with Dad. No reason to disparage Sophie in this manner.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not disparaging her, just being realistic. I suspect she would have been the first to stand up and say she was no saint. As for her son, I have every sympathy for a child who loses a parent, especially in such circumstances, but he is not a child anymore and he can process logic as well as anyone else. Let's wait and see what he is trying to achieve with this interview tonight.



  • Posts: 205 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More unlikely than a drunk bailey walking an hour each way in the dark, removing every trace of dna, fingerprints from the scene, blood off himself, then cheerfully waking Jules with a cuppa after his perfect crime?

    Right-O then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭CowgirlBoots


    You suspect? Were you a personal friend or are you just randomly hypothesizing?



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do I have kids? Am I divorced? Was I a personal friend? Keep walking CowgirlBoots, I'm taken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭flanna01


    No intention of changing my writing.. Ignore my posts!

    Do you not see the irony of the term 'The Babe Farrell' ??

    Let me enlighten you..

    The star witness in this which hunt was a married woman of five. During the daylight hours she ran a retail business, and one would assume the maintaining of a house, Husband and five children would also consume her hours after the working day was done..

    Instead of that, we are led to believe that she was our running around the beaches of West Cork at the dead of night with some squeeze from Longford...

    I have no doubt that a rendezvous with the Babe Farrell on a winters night, is enough to send any mans testosterone levels through the roof.....

    But..... We are talking about a man's freedom here, and the spot light being turned away from the real murderer.

    Although she would never reveal who the mystery man was, and he would have been able to confirm the sighting of the man in black by the bridge, no action was ever taken against her..?

    She is the only person that ever placed Bailey in the vicinity of the murder - Does that not tell you how important her testimony was at the time??

    Instead of cooperating 110% with the investigation, she threw a spanner in the works, and basically collapsed the whole investigation by her imaginary Walter Mitty horsesh*t about romancing around the murder scene with the invisible man.

    She has done diddley squat to help the Garda Siochana investigation. She has lied profusely from the first time she picked up a phone and used an alias name. The amount of false statements she has gave is outrageous... She has single handedly warped an entire murder operation from the get go.

    She wanted to feel important.. Wanted the attention.. Wanted too be seen as an object of desire....

    Well she certainly ticked a lot of them boxes before her world crashed and burned around her.

    But do not fear, I will still address her as her alter-ego would have liked

    The Babe Farrell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭CowgirlBoots


    OMG, you're way off. But thanks for the laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭mossie


    I think you are reading more into my comment than is there. I don't recall comparing the likelihood of this Guard doing it or Bailey doing it (in fact I tend more to thinking he (Bailey) didn't do it) but at present the mystery Garda theory is pure conjecture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Jaysus, you’ve cracked it! Any decent man within a 10 mile radius would have been tucked up safely in bed, getting ready for Santa the following night. And that scratch on his face is a sure sign of guilt. One look at IB and the jury must see he’s a violent madman. Who needs forensics and witnesses when you have brilliant insights into his madness? If we dunked him a few times, would he float?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Read my post again.....I never mentioned corruption. I said coverup. There is a difference. The only good conspiracy is a conspiracy of one. The idea that there are a number of Gardaí covering for one of their own is nonsense. So is the unsubstantiated story of the blue Fiesta from Gemma Wotsername. Furthermore, Farrell didn`t have a cop in her car on the night because if she did she would have said so by now, particularly as she now seems to be working at getting Bailey off the hook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭tibruit


    He had about seven hours to do all that. He may well have left some DNA. Where would you expect to find his fingerprints? The bloodstained clothes and shoes were burned in the Xmas fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭tibruit




  • Posts: 205 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your just quoting a load of conjecture. There's no proof for any of that. It's the same rubbish as the famous coat story. Behave.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    The very reason why she hasnt said there was a cop in her that night was because she is terrified of the gards. She has said this several times in both the podcast and Jim sheridans documentary. She says she gets panic attacks even if she is coming up to a checkpoint still to this day. She refused to name this individual even risking prison because of it. Why oh why would she do that? Why would it be so important to keep this individuals identity a secret? She said because she didnt want to disrespect his family but she had no problem in doing it to her own. Why didnt the gards properly follow up with this individual? An absolute key witness in the case.

    No one here is suggesting a widespread garda conspiracy. What they are suggesting is that there were a few gards in senior positions in the west cork who lead the investigation in the direction they wanted to go. Being a junior gard is a lot like being in the army, you do what you're told and you dont question so I wouldnt even attempt to blame the majority of them.

    There was a sighting of a blue fiesta and this has been corroborated by more than just Gemma O'dohertys account of what happened in a time when she was a respected investigative journalist before she lost her husband.

    Valid reasons why people think there was a cover up or at the very least serious corruption.

    1) Loss & disposal of vital pieces of evidence. (Gate with blood smeared all over it, bottle of expensive wine not common in the area, refusal of removal of body to Cork general hospital amongst many other pieces of evidence)

    2) Intimidation, bribery, co-ercion of vulnerable witnesses sometimes with addiction issues to paint an innocent man as a murderer.

    3) Refusal to co-operate with GSOC'S investigation into the crime by the vast majority of gards involved in this case.

    4) Looking to pin the blame of the murder on an outsider who was a good fit for a crime like this. Even at an early stage, they refused to consider any other possible suspects.

    5) Pages ripped from the evidence book.

    6) They have form for it, there has been many instances of garda corruption of the last number of decades where they even have tried to paint the whistleblower Maurice McCabe as a pedophile. Absolutely disgraceful and immoral.

    The list goes on and on.

    Only an idiot or someone extremely naive would discount the possibility that the gards have skin in this game. All the real evidence points towards it. You don't get severe incompetence like this from a police force in any country without a very good reason, you dont get the fact there must have been a pile of dna evidence left at a scene like this where not one scred of dna evidence from someone other than Sophie was found. Where so many factors ended up protecting the perpatrator. Sorry, it just doesnt happen.



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