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There will be a rise in incel related terror attacks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I don't think people know what it's like to be invisible. I don't know what it is, I actually amn't bad looking, in good shape etc but I've never felt like a sexual person. I've only ever been described as a 'nice guy' which is the worst way to describe somebody. I am a nice person but I amn't so nice that this should be my enduring personality trait. This represents an inability to put myself truly forward into the world. It's not something I do consciously, I try to be me but it's like there's an impenetrable wall between the person in my own head and the outside world. I guess we all put up a façade but some of us have much more walls built up around us. This can really prevent forming deep relationships. I am able t form friends but truly letting go in a way you need to to fall into a relationship has always been alien to me.

    This is something that unless you're in the brain of a person who gravitates towards the incel community you just can't understand. Something happened in our lives that deeply scarred us and our sense of self and feelings of worthiness.

    I just have too many negative points and not enough that saves me. Don't have height or charisma with can be too saving graces for average guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit



    This is an interesting video on female nature

    I just don't like the dynamics behind male and female romantic relationships. Other people would accept that the jock on the rugby team will get the hot girl whereas to me that is a violation of justice. I hate the fact I'll never be desired and will always be disposable because my lack of status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    Id rather have a w4nk than any of those 3 choices 🤣

    My OH dosnt really tick any of the OP boxes, but hes my lobster. Incels need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and a lot of their problems would go away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I think someone else asked you earlier, but do you have any friends or hobbies?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You sound like me when I was younger, albeit you sound better looking. I spent day and night online and not really facing the real world apart from work they was with 2/3 other guys in an office. Seriously spending less time online is one of the best things that can be done for confidence. Then I basically grew up. I said enough was enough and started to improve myself and put myself in positions where I felt really uncomfortable. I pushed the boat and got out of the rut. It is your choice if you want to stay the way you are or want to grow up mentally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭BrianD3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit




  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    >>> This is something that unless you're in the brain of a person who gravitates towards the incel community you just can't understand. Something happened in our lives that deeply scarred us and our sense of self and feelings of worthiness.

    First off, Incels don't have a monopoly on such experiences, and many of us experienced this kind of life long before the incels decided to form a support group. They're really not unique, with problems the rest of us haven't gone through. I seriously don't gravitate towards the incel community.. because I took responsibility for my own life, rather than accepting other peoples frames. Which is what you're doing.

    >>>I don't think people know what it's like to be invisible.

    There are heaps of teenagers who would vehemently disagree with you.. along with a rather hefty population of homeless or the poor.

    >>>I try to be me but it's like there's an impenetrable wall between the person in my own head and the outside world.

    If you don't like "who you are", or how others perceive you, change it. It's really not that difficult to change habits, if you seriously want to change. However, you're not going to get better results in life by repeating the same behavioral norms. It's not them, it's you. It's all on you. Take responsibility for your personality, and how you interact with others... but honestly, work on your self-image. Shift your environment for a few months while you're doing all this personality work. And examine the friends you currently have since they're probably enabling this kind of mindset... might be best to upgrade them to people who are more positive and supportive, without encouraging this mindset you currently have. You'll lose most of them anyway, if you manage to get out of this hole, and start dealing with your life positively.

    >>>I just have too many negative points and not enough that saves me. Don't have height or charisma with can be too saving graces for average guys.

    Nope. No sympathy from me. Humans have the wonderful ability to learn and adapt to their environment. That includes your personal habits, beliefs, etc. I have a shaking disorder that affects my whole body... and I manage quite well. I also had many of the problems you've listed here, and managed to change my personality/behavior to better suit positive interactions with others.

    The problem is that you expect others to change to accommodate you. You shouldn't need to change. People should just appreciate you the way you are... flawed as that might be. Nah. Take it from me. It doesn't work, and only leads to more pain and loneliness.

    >>>This is an interesting video on female nature

    Steer clear of modern psychology. That includes Peterson. Psychology is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it's designed to keep people in therapy. At least the self-help industry is far more positive, and cherry picks from psychology. However, stop looking for reasons/excuses to stay as you are. Get proactive. Read up on interpersonal communication from a practical perspective, looking at business vids on body language, and NLP. It all translates into any other type of communication you have with people. Do some reading on exercises for positivity training, and habit change. Start some guided meditation, and start doing positive affirmations every morning and every evening.

    But ultimately stop passing the buck. Yes, blaming yourself isn't taking responsibility. Identify your limiting beliefs, your detractors, etc. And then, change them. It'll only take a few months for the changes to become established, and with some regular reinforcement, you'll be a new man within a year. Then, consider how women perceive you.. and I think you'll find it's much easier to have a second or third date with them. It's not that hard to do... but people these days are looking for the quick fix. The magical pill that will instantly change their lives without any need to do the work.. but there is no magic pill. It requires honest self-evaluation, the motivation to improve, and consistent efforts to change. Not hard but it does take some time.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think people know what it's like to be invisible.

    Who said that? 😁

    Really though, every single person on this thread knows what it's like to be invisible. Here we are, trying to help you, granted, we're helping with varying degrees of sincerity at different times, and harshly at others, but have you been hitting the Thanks! button? No. It's like we're invisible. And that hurts.

    As the first step in your new life, you have to go back through this thread and thank every post. Then come back to us and talk about being invisible! 😀



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  • Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most incels are cowards who are afraid of actually going outside their comfort zone so the idea they'll ever be able to unleash that many terror attacks strikes me as unlikely. Sure some will, but those guys will have serious mental illness that coincides with them being incels, not solely because they are incels.

    Honestly, reading this thread is head-melting in its stupidity. The sad half-arsed reasons the OP is using to promote making zero changes in his life, including the self-pitying "then they see the real me" nonsense. Lad, you aren't some tortured martyr, you are where you are because of the choices you made and continue to make. I mean, loads of us go through the "no one gets me" phase but most of us mature out of it, you have chosen and are choosing to, revel in it.

    I'd offer you advice but you already know how to improve your life, you just like your comfort zone too much to leave it.



  • Posts: 616 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd say the OP might have depression - same lack of hope, feeling alone (when numerous people feel the same as he does), negative thought patterns... needs to help himself but also needs support from others to help him change his toxic way of thinking.

    I've heard someone else say that thing about feeling like there's a barrier between themselves and society. That's quite saddening. Someone else suggested schizoid personality disorder. I don't know - the person I know of was on the autism spectrum. But of course we are not able to make a diagnosis here. I think you should definitely speak to a professional, OP.

    But all this simplification stuff about Chad and whoever, it may feel comforting to have such easy answers - to give people handy labels - but of course the real world is much broader and more nuanced than that. And again, there is so much evidence that contradicts your claim that only guys with big penises, unbelievable looks and vast wealth can get women, but you don't seem interested in acknowledging that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Agree with others. Seek some counselling, it could really help you. If nothing else, it can give some structure to your thoughts and goal setting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Sounds like the OP's victimhood is basically their entire identity at this point. I doubt they even want to see any changes/improvements as without their victimhood and misery there's nothing left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    There's a chap I know whose brother is definitely a dangerous incel type. Probably the best part of 25 stone, big fleshy face full of zits, pale as milk, and a big blowout muffin top stomach. He operates at about 8 w@nks a day and leaves cummy socks and stuff all over the apartment, pisses in bottles and leaves them under his computer desk and even drinks his own piss! He had to be removed from the family whatsapp group after he changed his profile picture to him wearing a ball-gag and started sending willy pictures to the group at the behest of his online femdom mistress as a humilation ritual. Apparently his elderly father got a dick pic at mass and all he could do was reply "my god son, is that your dicky, is that your dicky son?"

    He never opens the curtains in his little lair and he has a horrible pube face beard and a big mop of greasy hair. He apparently writes tech articles online and trades crypto. He drinks those sugary energy drinks the whole time and just eats pot noodle type sh1t and premade burgers full of grease. Imagine if he had a gun! Scary guy. He'd be fairly undateable now to be honest. Who'd date the likes of that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭Relikk




  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We used to call them losers. I don't know how that guy has become "dangerous incel" now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Dude, you have had COUNTLESS threads on this and similar topics and it's patently clear that you're basically incapable of interacting with both genders, but you've chosen to focus on women as the issue here. Why??? As I've said before, the problem here is your insistence on approaching even the most basic human interaction on a purely transactional basis. You do this with men as well as women. The issue here is YOU - not women, not other men, not society. You are the common denominator here.

    I really, genuinely think you need professional help at this stage, because blaming literally everyone else on the planet for your own perceived inadequacies is not healthy or rational behaviour.



  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I carry those scars to this day... although, I found my own way of dealing with it all

    If you do not mind my asking how did you you deal with it? I agree the "someone for everyone" belief is just what people tell people and themselves



  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is not complete nonsense to say some women go for money looks etc. Whether they are happy having achieved it is another thing. I know of one who wanted someone rich and got someone rich and he is horrible to her



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I wonder if the OP has seen the recent thread on incels.is regarding stoicmaxxing. This combined with red pill type improvements might be helpful. You can always improve - weight training, martial arts, losing bodyfat, jaw exercises, cock exercises etc. If you were to add an inch onto your cock which is very possible, maybe you'd be the one walking around with Big Dick Energy. The good thing about cocks is they are measurable and population data is available on them. This is something that appeals to those on the spectrum (i.e. many incels) who love normal distributions, standard deviations, percentiles and so on. An inch onto your cock could quite literally be the difference between going ER or not 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Read a few of his other threads. He can't interact normally with anyone, male or female. But it's society's fault for giving women too many options and telling men that they have to be Dan Bilzerian to be worthy of even conversing with another person regardless of gender. All of which is patent nonsense when you look around at the literally millions of people who manage to conduct relationships both romantic and platonic with absolutely no issues whatsoever, despite not fulfilling the parameters of what the OP deems is societally acceptable.

    Sometimes we find ourselves single due to circumstance, timing, bad luck, lack of opportunities, personal status, whatever. That's life. I haven't had so much as a shift in five years. It's not because there's some kind of massive conspiracy theory amongst the top tier of humanity aimed at keeping all of us "normals" excluded from the party.



  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Did you ever try to improve your self esteem with any self help books or tapes or other self help.? I have not read read all of this so apology if you mentioned it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    He thinks he's not good enough to compete with social constructs that don't exist outside his own head. That's the issue.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I suspect it's more about attracting attention. Notice how the personality and attitudes are so different from most others on boards, or that he claims some special insight that the rest of us, couldn't, possibly understand? It just seems like he wants to be special, and focusing on the negatives provides that, along with the sympathy from those who try to help, all the while, he can dismiss others suggestions as not being applicable to himself. Because he's special.

    TBH he sounds like he's borrowing attitudes from other people rather than expressing his own. Like as if he's grabbed a list of issues from some incels posts, and decided to push them for himself. Otherwise he'd be far more capable of defending his opinions.. which he hasn't been able to do so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Halenvaneddie


    St Elliot lives on



  • Posts: 616 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course some women only go for money/guys who are like models, but according to the community in question, women full stop exclusively seek such men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I don't think most people with problems in their personal life resort to violence. Some resort to drink, drugs or just acceptance. I think the UK gun laws could do with looking at. It seems this man involved in the mass shooting in the UK previously had his gun license withdrawn by police and then restored.

    As someone who is not a straight male, I'm interested in how this issue is reported in terms of misogny, rather than mental illness. I think either could be involved, as indeed could both.

    The British mental health system also needs to be considered. I don't know much about it but I recall that in the 1990s. there was controversy over "care in the community", whereby mentally unstable persons were being moved out of institutions to be cared for residentially. The trend away from institutionalisation needs to be reconsidered, though neither would it be a good idea to return to mass institutionalisation, as Irish history shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Interesting read. Could we potentially see a situation where social media is examined for signs of incelism?



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  • Posts: 616 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ew, it's so bleak. There was an Irish Times item on Facebook recently - it was absolute sh1t, mind. It was like something from Heat magazine or something - an agony aunt thing with a letter from a woman saying she fancied a guy at work but was in a relationship... and how to deal with this I guess. But the comments! A slut, "do your partner a favour and leave him - he deserves better", "typical female behaviour - lining up another man to replace a good guy", "it's hypergamy - she's young now so she has the pick... when she hits the wall she'll take any man who'll have her"...

    Because she fancies another man while in a relationship. Seriously. Didn't cheat - just has particular thoughts (which numerous people have, male or female, when in a relationship - because it's completely normal) and the woman haters consider her deserving of the above.

    Online misogyny is cool now, and it's no fun to see if you're a woman, especially one who has never been sh1tty to men (e.g. me and my friends).



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