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F1 2021 Round 12: Belgian Grand Prix

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Meanwhile Danny Ric is trying to start a Mexican wave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Of course there's the concept that it's an open air event, inclement weather can always be a factor - just the same way they do not run oval races in Indy/Nascar.

    There are a couple of huge failures brewing up however and the proof of it is in the abundant use of the "unprecedented" word everyone is making.

    The whole "the race has started / the race has not started" argument is beyond ridiculous - considering the "unprecedented situation" and the wheather conditions, there should be some level of flexibility allowed. If the conditions are such as that the race can't be ran, then it has NOT started.

    The second issue is the stupidest, silliest and the one that will send the attendance at the venue into a "I'll never bother with F1 again" mood - the 3 hours "window", which is a very short time in the best conditions, and becomes absolutely ridiculously rigid in a situation such as today. At 17.00 Irish time, the race will be declared cancelled; If you checked the weather radar, it's about the time the rain will start letting up. With another good couple hours of light available, there's no reason why, conditions permitting, they shouldn't try to get the event started. There's literally the chance that people will be sent home under a sky that's opening up, and they'll all think "what the fcuk, waited 3 hours and they call it off when this happens?".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭dor83


    Am I the only one who thinks that they should have just had them doing more laps behind the safety car to clear some of the water? Sitting around waiting for the track to dry while it's raining and there is no sign of it stopping is pointless, maybe I'm just getting old but we have seen racing in much worse conditions than this in the past.

    I fully expect them to use this as a reason to move away from the proper tracks like this and bring in more stupid street circuits, that's what they have been trying to do anyway so this will just be more ammo for that.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    ‘The track wasn’t overly wet’.

    Stop everything. Quokula was out on the track and knows more than the 20 drivers who have to race on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So the three hour time limit has stopped. So the rules aren’t as set in stone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Rossi IRL


    Masi has stopped the clock apparently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,242 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    So there is a time limit, but it has been stopped. Going to be a long evening - will someone wake me and Lando up if it gets going?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭Harika


    UPDATE: The race clock has stopped at 17:00. Citing Force Majeure under the International Sporting Code, the FIA has managed to give the race extra breathing space in these dreadful conditions. Excellent move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    So what is happenning. Is the race going to run at some other time? Will there be points given? Just heard clock is stopped!!!



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I used to hate them running around and around under the SC but now that they've brought the limit down to 3 hours then there's no point in not doing the SC laps.

    So now they're pausing the 3 hour race window? Jesus Christ 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    I'd similar thoughts myself, that said I think part of the problem is the lengthof this track, on a shorter track that may be a more viable option.

    Seems they have overruled the 3hr limit now anyway so should have some racing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    If the safety car is struggling and nearly spinning then you know its bad



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Medical car is sliding all over the shop.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I nearly spun out my Dacia a couple of times yesterday when the road was bone dry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    I should write posts like the previous one more often. Looks like they had some common sense and overruled the stupid "3 hours" thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭Harika


    If they can stop the watch, can they also turn it back? Else race time is an hour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 845 ✭✭✭ricimaki


    Remember that the time limit rule was introduced after Canada 2011, which turned out to be an excellent race once it got (back) under way.

    It sounds like it will be a 1 hour race when it does get underway, but it will have to be completed before it gets too dark in the evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Mother nature I may feel pissed for half a second until I realised it was for safety reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭dor83


    In fairness, there is now over 2 hours of extra rain on the track and it's out there on it's own, if they had started the race and run a bit more behind the safety car the water on the track would have been cleared a lot quicker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭barryribs


    He's not wrong though, whats the point in having races run behind a safety car until it's dry enough for inters? The track has never been safer, the cars have never been safer, the drainage as Spa has never been better, and on and on. If the cars had been running for 20 minutes, it would clear most of the standing water, give us and the spectators at the track something to look at, rather than sitting with their fingers up their arse waiting for rain to clear that has been forecast to be down for the day all week. Some of the most memorable races have started in conditions like this.

    But yea, let the drivers make all the decisions.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Ricciardo having the time of his life here



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    The quote was ‘the track wasn’t overly wet‘, which is nonsense.

    And the track is so long that the standing water won’t clear that quickly, especially if it’s bucketing it down like it is.

    And since the drivers are the ones out there risking their lives, yes I think of weight should be given to them, especially when 19 out of 20 are saying it.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Must be nice to be able to write off a couple of grand with a shrug.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why is anyone bothering to argue? Sure he believes Hamilton hasn't had a working set of tyres in half a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    If you think the race goes ahead give this post a like. I’m very on the fence, feeling like it won’t - eager to hear what others think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    I think it's looking like Masi made a mistake by officially starting the race earlier and they went through the rule book to find a way out of it. Anyway, 'Force Majeur' it is and hopefully we'll see some racing later on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,242 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    How much for a ticket to see the race? But again peeved at who. Just race damn safety so your money is not raced.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,707 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Why don't they have those track clearing trucks like snow ploughs? It's a track well known for adverse weather. Send 4-5 of the trucks around for 15 minutes and I'd imagine alot of the rain would be pushed off



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,907 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I agree with this post and with @[Deleted User] that it’s a mess and there seems to be an overly complicated rule book written in a legalistic way which works fine when things go well, but at least the rules around this issue isn’t worth the paper it’s written on because it’s a farce.



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