Any other women here vote NO for the 8th?

I don’t recall at any point claiming I questioned whether I was or wasn’t part of Irish society, so your question is moot. I at least am capable of acknowledging that I don’t have a choice in the matter - I am part of Irish society, whether I like it or no, though I don’t expect my answer will in any way influence your opinion as to whether or not abortion is an issue which affects everyone in any given society, which is why it’s strictly regulated and it’s simply untrue to claim that a woman’s medical decisions, in this case in relation to abortion, only affect her.

You’re free to continue to wish that were the case, but when you choose to express such an opinion on a public forum, you’re giving other people the opportunity to correct your misinformation. They may choose to do so in a far less polite fashion than I have done, or they may choose to believe you have the capacity for rational thought and reason when presented with evidence that your claim is false. I’m beginning to think the former may have been a wiser course of action at this point.

Ahh, I think I see what’s happened - you simply misread my post and you’re attempting to attribute something to me which I neither said, nor indicated, nor could it reasonably be deduced from what I did say, which was this -

While the equivalence with masturbation is beyond stupid I grant you, for many reasons, it’s simply not the case either that a woman’s medical choices (if you want to put her decisions relating to a termination of the pregnancy in those terms) affect only her. Abortion is an issue which undoubtedly affects everyone in society, regardless of their sex or gender, regardless of their age and indeed regardless of whether they are or have yet to be born.

Two different points, the first one refers to your claim that a woman’s medical decisions only affect her. The second one refers to abortion as an issue which affects everyone in society, which is why it’s strictly regulated and it’s these regulations will affect the decisions anyone makes in relation to abortion. It’s why for example most GPs in Ireland are unwilling to provide abortion services, because they’re unwilling to be responsible should any unforeseen circumstances arise for one thing which could adversely affect them.

It’s just untrue to suggest that a woman’s medical decisions only affect her, which is the only point of yours I had any interest in correcting, and I provided evidence to support my argument, whereas you have provided nothing more than what appears to be an opinion based entirely upon your own wishful thinking.

I think it's hilarious that some people think "pro-choice" means "pro abortion". I don't think I've ever heard of anyone being genuinely in favour of abortion, not even people who work in abortion clinics and perform them. If you have to make the choice, you've already screwed up, but at least you have that choice, which can go either way.

Ohh I don’t know that that’s quite true either tbh. In reality it’s sometimes the case that they take what could only be regarded as a rather unhealthy degree of interest in how other people raise their own children. Quite often it’s the opposite, and proves rather difficult for people to tell other people who want to participate in telling others how to raise their own children, to fcuk off 😂

But most of the time, most people regardless of their opinions on abortion, restrict themselves to providing education and that sort of thing to society for the benefit of people who support their particular ideology, which is kinda handy if you have children, and not so handy if you’ve had an abortion, because it’s then you’ll find out who really wants to support you, and who doesn’t, as opposed to just using your circumstances to promote their own ideas in society.

I’d struggle to tell Greta Thunberg to fcuk off for example, but if some people had their way she would have been unlikely to have ever been born in the first place. It’s one of those curious paradoxes 😁

It was actually a very simple and non controversial decision for me, you see I don't believe I or anyone else has the right to force someone to have a pregnancy against there will, for whatever reason, it was that simple...you no it never ceases to amaze me how many people there are that think they have a right to have a say on what people do with there own bodies or life...its scary.

I know a young couple who have a child who is around 1 or 2. the woman got pregnant quickly after the first and they got an abortion. reason, it was too early to have another one after the first. so the first kid gets to grow up and experience this great life and all that comes with it. The second one who got aborted was just unlucky he was conceived so soon after the first child. I think that is really sad, just think about it, there was nothing wrong with the second one, just bad timing. That is a tragedy and don't tell me it isn't.

Because other people don't want to see that (or clean up after it). Similarly, "my body, my choice" would not apply to having a surgical abortion on a flight.

Your flight argument is the sort of thing an idiot would come up with.

I voted yes for two reasons.

1) It's none of my business if a woman wants to abort a pregnancy.

2) There's thousands of kids in this country born to people who can't look after themselves, nevermind a kid. I hate to say it but they would have been better off aborted.