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Opinions on onlyfans and adult entertainment industry

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    A lot of these OF creators will be pissed off, huge revenue stream gone, and they could do it keeping anonymity and the lions share of the profits, a pity really ...



  • Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agree - unless of course the company isn't paying its bills to them.



  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    I imagine some copycat site will spring up shortly. Someone will figure out a solution to the payment issue, it's too profitable to just die.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Even then, it shouldn't be easy to cut them off. For many businesses, being unable to access electronic payment services effectively means being unable to operate. Any process that involves shutting down their ability to use the payment service should have to follow a very set process regardless of the business; for example filing a petition for liquidation if the business is not paying its bills. Otherwise you'll have situations where one business (e.g. online sex shop) gets blacklisted at the first instance of a chargeback, while a more "respectable" business such as Starbucks can be 6 months in arrears and they still get to operate.

    For example, energy providers in Ireland are not permitted to cut off consumer supply for non-payment. Someone who is not paying their ESB bill and is unable to pay their ESB bill, cannot be cut off while they are living in property and at least attempting to make some form of payment. Because we recognise that electricity is essential, and a person having access to electricity is more important than a company getting their money.

    Payment providers are approaching that level of essentiality and we need to implement similar protections for consumers and businesses in recognition of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So many pornstars and ONLYfans users have committed suicide in past 2 years, then you have kids in school who are suicidal and depressed as other kids in school are flaunting around naked onlyfan photos of their mom or older sister.

    It really is the site that keeps on giving .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    the fact that it was linked (by the "models" themselves ) to empowerment was laughable. many are on twitter daily giving out about men without a hint of irony



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I don't really get the card companies being able to levy pressure on OF to bar explicit content. How do all the major porn production companies process their payments?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Strange then that the ESB introduced a moratorium on disconnections during Covid. If they were not doing disconnections, then a moratorium would not be needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,309 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    To be fair to him, Seamus did include the provisio that people’s utilities aren’t cut off as long as they are making some attempt to pay their bills.

    But as for the wider point about Visa or MasterCard appointing themselves the ‘morality police’, this is only coming up precisely because it’s OnlyFans. They refuse to provide their services to other private companies and individuals too for a number of reasons. I don’t agree they should be under any obligation to provide their services to anyone they don’t want to, for any reason. If they don’t wish to provide their services to a business which they are of the opinion goes against their ethics, then they shouldn’t be forced to do so and I can’t see them being forced to provide their services to businesses they don’t wish to.

    It’s still not telling anyone how they can or can’t spend their money. It’s telling people that they don’t have the right to demand that either Visa or MasterCard provide them with their services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,887 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    I think your reading to much into this

    Its a website where many young immature girls (18-early 20s) post ridiculously intimate pictures and videos that will be still around when they have long since died from old age. Its teaching young girls who should be working hard that they don't need to if they have boobs and a fanny

    There is lots of issues about personal freedom that we should be more concerned about right now before OF being cancelled should even get a fleeting thought from anyone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    I think the whole 'pressure from payment companies' is complete BS. There are plenty of other sites of the same type that use the same payment providers.

    The issue is that the two OF founders want to IPO the company. OF had become an adult-site by default.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Huge turn around, now they are not changing a thing, all content will be allow, so many middle school kids will be relieved

    wtf

    Money talks, nothing changes,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    Yeah? Is this a shock? Business sees customer backlash and quickly u-turns on the decision in order to remain profitable.

    It's a business....that makes money.....and wants to continue making money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So they found a '' mystery'' bank who will deal wit them. It won't be a mystery for long.. then the bank will get it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    IPO? Oh damn Id love to own stock in whores.

    Go to the agm, complain about the sluts cut being too high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Honestly I don't think you're reading into this enough. Personally, I'd never pay for something like OnlyFans, and I also understand the very very vast majority of people posting on there are not making much money at all, but I also am not under any delusion that sex workers do a lot more behind the scenes than people realise.

    However, as someone who previously worked for a payment processor (Stripe in my case) I can in complete honesty say that many major banks simply do not want to touch this kind of content, because it is often viewed as immoral or 'dirty money'.

    Despite anyone's opinion on OnlyFans or other adult industries, it's a terrible thing where banks are capable of determining someone's income.

    When I worked with Stripe I'd often have to review adult accounts, which we'd inevitably have to close because our banking partners wanted nothing to do with them. In quite a lot of cases at the time it was very popular for girls to sell access to 'private' Snapchat accounts, for like $15-50 for a year or whatever it was. I distinctly remember seeing one particular account that was pulling in like $3,000 a month, and due to how she'd set up with Stripe she was paying her due taxes and reported it all come April. She broke no laws, did nothing illegal and neither did those who willingly paid for her content.

    It blows my mind that we're totally okay with actors making millions each year from action films or genuine gore horror movies, but because some women are out there making money off the pathetic horniness of some men, we feel the need to try and stop them making money.



  • Posts: 616 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah people feel brilliant when they say "her body, she can do what she wants, fair play to her, it's empowering" and then the generic fallbacks of "jealous, prude" etc if someone critiques it. It's fashionable to have these views and it makes people feel really liberal and progressive and enlightened, but it's actually quite a shallow take, not involving much in the way of thought.

    Now part of me does kinda agree that if you've a great body and can make money from it, go for it. But then there's the bigger picture - will it affect career prospects in the future? Will it affect your personal life in general? (Relationships, family, children). Will you regret it long-term? It's really something that requires a lot of thought and planning, with a safety net. When the work dries up in your 30s you may want to train for a new career. And now you've this digital imprint that could put off an employer. But people in their late teens and 20s don't think that way (including me at that age) - they do things impulsively without considering consequences.

    Whatever about becoming a stripper when living in a big, anonymous city far away for a few years, online is risky.

    Plus, I'm not sure how great it is that making pornography is so easy and something to be so blasé about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Virgin Media Ireland have a new documentary lined up to talk about it from their New Season launch unveiled today. It's called Onlyfans: Ireland's X-Rated. It's supposed to feature a woman in her 40's who is talking about her experiences of gaining money & popularity on the site. I don't think I will be interested in watching it but I think it has captured the perfect audience who are interested in this low grade rubbish. Any takers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Attitude is part of the problem. You do something, and people hold it against you for years. So these people are getting naked and making money, why should it affect future anything? Because the general public are still hard wired to believe anything to do with sex is sacrosanct and shouldn't even be talked about. Ok, it's not that bad anymore, but just look at the replies here. People judging those who do it because.... why? Because you don't agree with it?

    Once we can start there, the adult industry could become a proper, legit business with proper protections. But until this outdated attitude towards nudity and sex is gone, it will remain the seedy business it oft times is. Someone saying that they previously did adult material should have the same effect as someone saying they previously worked as a plumber.



  • Posts: 471 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It could be a picture of a pair of boobs and a vagina. Its not the 80's or 90's.

    Who cares.

    If they only have post social media content an hour or two a week and make really good money fair play to them.

    I'd rather do that than work 40 hours a week in my office job.

    Everyone on this planet be dead in a 100 years anyway. When you stop caring what other people think about you, you get a new lease of life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    My issue with people paying for Onlyfans is that there is an endless supply of adult content on the internet that is available for free, so by definition any paying for Onlyfans content is doing so because they believe that they have some sort of chance of developing a personal relationship with the people charging them for the content.

    There most definitely is a moral issue relating to this dynamic but it isn't the traditional morality of sex and sexual content being considered taboo.

    The real issue is people charging for nude pictures and videos of themselves when they know well that the people paying for it are lonely desperate people who are desperate to develop the type of relationships they lack the confidence or social nous required to pursue such ventures in the real world which is keeping them in a cycle of partial gratification through paying someone they believe they have a rapport with online.

    The money they are making is dirty money, not because they took their clothes off to earn it but because they turned a blind eye to the means by which they convince people to part with it.

    I feel genuinely sorry for people paying for Onlyfans content, they should be pursuing real relationships and not wasting money on something that is readily available for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    You're generalising. Lots of people pay for OF because they prefer the amateur side of things. Or one of the many other services the people on OF offer. Yeah, some may think that they might make a connection, but that's on them, not the performers. And I wouldn't call it dirty money either, there's more than just porn offering people what they think they need, but no one is forcing anyone to buy any of that. They offer a service which people are willing to pay for. It's the same as blaming McDonalds for obesity. One doesn't have to be lonely or desperate to pay for this content, they might just like it and live a perfectly normal life otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Amateur stuff is freely available as well.

    The fact is that a normal functioning person most likely isn't spending money on Onlyfans.

    The comparison with McDonald's being responsible for people's obesity isn't fantastic either. Why would people go to McDonald's at all if Big Mac's were available for free all around them? The consumption of the content isn't the issue, it's the fact that the content is only being paid for with the expectation that the recipient of the money is in some way attainable to the customer. It may not he the problem of the person being paid but the morality is pretty clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Nah, I think it's more a fact that they're getting pics and videos that other people won't get because they're not paying for them. Another elitist way of showing how much better they are than others, even if that show is only inside their head. I think you're reading too much into the types of people who pay for this. Yes, there are those crazy fringe elements, but I'd be of the opinion that most people who spend money on that are normal, everyday folks. And Arabian princes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Pics and vids that other people won't get?

    Of what? Boobs and fannies? Jesus the internet is held together by that type of content.

    There is a palpable desperation attached to paying for that type of thing. I haven't described anyone as part of a crazy fringe element, I just think they're socially inept people who are struggling to form real relationships in a world where it's ever harder to do so. Onlyfans is a sad Indictment of our society, not because of the sexual aspect but because of the culture of isolation and loneliness it represents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I don't agree. Yes, there are some out there like that, but I'd say far from a most. Why are people socially inept if they can't find a partner? Are you judging their ability by your own ability? Do you think that people who suffer from social anxiety are wrong, or that there's something wrong with them because they don't partake in what people consider normal socialising? And you said it yourself, it's a world where it's ever harder to form a real relationship, so those who were already struggling are now struggling more, and OF is an avenue of release but there's something wrong with them to be using it?

    While we're generalising, everyone who drinks is a raging functional alcoholic. All weed smokers are stoner wasters. People who drink coffee have no self motivation. People who drink gin are manic depressives. People who wear labels believe themselves to be better than everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I have suffered with social anxiety in my life as have most people. Part of life is facing that type of thing head on and dealing with it. The problem with the modern world is that there's a cop out for everything and everyone in every situation.

    Paying some girl to show you her genitals on Onlyfans is not some panacea for the socially awkward. You are suggesting that people who suffer from social anxiety should be left to fire their hard earned money at girls online as a replacement for making the effort to actually grow themselves as people by getting out into the world and developing real relationships. Just because it's harder to do that now (it was never easy by the way) doesn't mean it isn't worth doing.

    I'm not going to respond to those examples of generalisation as they're not relevant and it's a pretty cheap tactic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    We'll agree to disagree. Or at least I will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I support bodily autonomy and therefore defend the rights of consenting adults to engage in the adult entertainment industry.



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