Is womenz independence really a thing now? Or are we just an "allele" of olden times?

There was something else I wanted to convey - something to do with "slut shaming".

Happens far more frequently between women, than between men and women (i.e. women slut shaming each other).

Yeah, so - "woman in a mans world", gals gotta do what she's gotta do.

Normally if a gal is pretty enough (and I'm quoting a behavioral psychologist), she arranges a series of "suitors".

i.e. dudes she can readily wrap around her finger.

And then obviously selects what she feels is the prime-candidate, based on her needs and desires at that point in space and time.

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So yeah, relative to womenz independence obviously the modern day idea of that is that women now have equal opportunity (well, maybe not in Afghanistan currently but, regions not controlled by primitive minded drug cartels, per se);

Equal education opportunity, largely equal employment opportunity - maternity leave is still a contentious subject with some business owners but you get the general idea.

So - I suppose what I'm asking is, in reality - how far removed are we from the historical "woman must optimize her man-finding ability" partner selection paradigm?

Is it conceivable that one day we have a reverse "metrosexual" situation? Where women can work and provide for themselves entirely and in complete security, then spend the rest of their time drinking beer, watching soccer and having as much casual sex as possible (like many of their successful male counterparts....) - - ?

Could we transcend our naturally occurring biology such that one day that fantasy may come to fruition (?)

A "leg over", hmmm?

I think that's right up there in terms of historical Irish speak with, "I was shifting that lass in the corner of the disco-bar....".

Similar to "simp", there's no available etymological rational behind the expression, "shift".

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"Leg over" is pretty self explanatory.

Issac Newton, perhaps the greatest physicist of all time was forthright about his opinion of humans;

"I can calculate the motion of celestial bodies.... but I cannot understand the madness of people".

Bearing in mind of course that classical Newtonian mechanics is particle based, and particle based motion does not reflect the true reality of nature.

The true reality of nature is reflected in contemporary quantum mechanics

(quantum referring to "quanta" - packets of energy in which light travels, denominated as the minimum wave quantity necessary to form said packet or "quanta"; thus quantum-mechanics refers merely to the wave-based behavior of the universe and everything in it - which is counter intuitive because looking around us this isn't readily apparent......... all is not as it seems).

The point being, to make sense of something which is "not as it seems" - i.e. something highly counter intuitive, as Elon describes the infallible (but still highly challenging) means to do this, is the "first principles" approach.

As he also describes, classically humans have evolved in terms of analogy; we essentially copy the preceding generation, making some minor modifications here and there.

This is the form our "evolution" has taken.

And it shows - feminism, womenz rights, identity, cultural and societal evolution.

What feminism theoretically contends is not "evolutionary".... no.

It's "revolutionary".

This will never be attained via reason-by-analogy.

To truly understand a concept as counter intuitive as "the madness of humans", this requires "reason by first principles" - boiling the situation down to its most fundamental truths, and rationalizing the functional model upwards from there.

The point I was making was that really, it could be either;

There's not much difference between the two.

Remember that flick "Pitch Black".

It had a follow up.... and then another called "Riddick".

The protagonist made the observation during a moment of self reflection after essentially getting extorted, ".... perhaps I made the worst mistake of all.... I became civilized....".

Of course this is just macho crap, but surprisingly common, as per your post also.

"I don't take shit from nobody bruh".

Essentially it's a desperate cry declaring, "how do I think functionally in the modern world full of contradictions, masquerades and hypocrisy" - i.e. we're drowning in the counter-intuitive.

And we come up with these trivial rationalizations such as

-> If you're a man have some balls, don't be an over-friendly fool taking your thoughts from the cultural mush of the media and office life.

..... that may serve a purpose in some small collective, be functionless in another, and a distinct drawback in another.

As to "being overly civilized", I guess the definition is simply not well understood so it's always prone to these ambiguous claims.

^^ Not really. That whole "I'm a billy bad ass" thing is rife in society at large.

Being civilized is considered "weak" by many.

Being feral, I don't know.... at one with mother earth?

Supposedly considered stronger.

It's the reason youth culture rebel against the machine of civilization; paying attention at school is not suave and in some subcultures is actively condemned.

Traveler culture = prime example, as contentious as using that example is.

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I get the point; you don't want to be a doormat cause everyone will basically go to town on you if you are.

But advancement will not be had by way of going backwards - it will be pushing the concept of "civilized" to a point that incorporates adequate management of more inflammatory issues with greater efficacy (as is currently NOT the case).

Not really a fan of posting links but I must mention the research endeavors of neuroscientist Heather Berlin which focus on "impulse control", cognitive development specifically as a means to understand our base human impulses, and make them work for us, vs against us.

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Just final thought:

In terms of being "civilized".

I brushed shoulders naturally with many who consider themselves the "cutting edge" in that capacity.

Real nice guys, sweet dudes etc.

A lot of them assholes are pretty perverted and lead double lives.

Point I'm making is, as does Heather Berlin, base cognitive function relative to emotion is the underlying principle of advancing civilization.

"Nuanced" hmmm?

lol

That's beautiful champ.

Have you been brushing up on your vocabulary?

"Cromulent" hmmm?

lol

That's beautiful champ.

Have you been......

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Though I looked it up and at least it hasn't been adopted from african-american gangster-rap culture.

So you're still pretty low down on the ladder of boards.ie rhetoric, but that puts you at least one to two rungs above those other paste eaters.

It's happened more than once that, I've bumped into dudes from those eastern european block of countries and they've said to me, "I love being in Ireland; know why? Cause I've never actually had sex with a woman from my own country.... except for prostitute".

Just to get confirmation of the principle I suspect was at work underneath this situation, I once put it to this big Polish dude I somehow got to bumping chops with in a nightclub;

I was like, "bruh, as I understand it, the culture of toxic masculinity in your country is so appalling and aversive to your female counter-parts, that most dudes end up losing their virginity to prostitutes; am I right..... ??".

And he was like,

In other words, effeminization of men, on some level, is there something to be said for it?

Well - there clearly is.

Ted Kaczynski (una-bomber), oddly enough his manifesto was in relation to regression of civilization he felt technology was causing (of course the opposite is true - technology is the exclusive component driving civilization forward);

But he felt men and women had a pre-disposed rift which he contended could only be addressed by men becoming more woman like.

He actually became a cross-dresser as he felt relating to women was otherwise a biologically impossible task.

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One point supporting this is as previous, statistics on violence.

I know some bitches that talk shit and instigate, but the reality is violence is 90%+ male initiated.