Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

You do know I don't have those numbers either , don't you ?

Even if I could ( which I can't because of confidentiality) give specifics about the unit I work in, I would not know the details of other units around the country .

I can only say in general terms that the majority of people whether admitted or not with Covid or just tested positive , are very sick , complicated with all the respiratory and inflammatory processes of Covid infection .

They have said how many cases are contracted in hospital ,( Dr Cormican at the last HSE briefing ) either through testing positive or hospital outbreak , the rest are Covid admissions.

I would also like to remind everyone while I am " in the system " as it were I am not responsible for its failings or policies. I am a poster on boards and only want to inform, and discuss the same as any other poster. Obviously I would have an insight into hospital and medical and nursing matters because of my profession, the same way you would in tech because of your work . So go easy please . If I say things I know to be true it's not to upset people but there have been posters who refuse to accept what I have said and attacked me personally . Not you .

You disagreed with the way the numbers are released . I can do nothing about that so to quote my post implies that I am holding back on purpose , when in fact it is outside my control .

That is what I meant by take it or leave it in my previous post to another , not that the public in general should .

If you have surgery and then test positive you have a 15% to 20 % negative outcome of serious disease or death . That would be over and above any risks you already have due to underlying conditions .

This is due to clotting, cardiac , renal and of course respiratory complications caused by Covid on top of everything else .

I recognise people are frustrated because they feel the data is being withheld , and wish they would publish the data, but most people who are in hospital do not consent to this or only once they are discharged or well . Those that die will have grieving relatives who quite rightly don't want it published at this time .

That is why you will only ever get numbers in the most general terms .

The real government make a decision? No **** chance, the spineless cowards don't have it in them.

Remember when it was just a few more weeks, all the sanctimonious bores imploring us not to throw it all away for the sake of a few weeks more to get as many jabs into arms as possible?

Here we are months later and the kites flutter from September to October to next year and we still have no idea whatsoever when the NPHET government are going to take their foot of our necks.

Holohan must shake his head in disbelief that he still hasn't been officially called on this horseshit.

Testing is now a mixture of referrals, online bookings and walk ins. You can't manufacture people to test.

Well, mid-September has been talked about for a while so not a huge leap to go to October. It's the case numbers and creeping hospital admissions that are doing this and of course getting the schools back. Not sure why people continue to be outraged at these events, assuming it transpires, as it's been that way since Christmas. Even so we are probably witnessing the last days of major input from NPHET.

Another huge issue and in my opinion adding to the rise in numbers is the lack of leadership . Wishy washy indecision and lack of clear precise guidelines caused many people to throw in the towel and do their own thing

I saw it in my own circle , people were so compliant and did everything right and abiding by every guidelines etc up till about May or so . Then slowly people realised that we had no concise science based rules . They got fed up of no path or long term plan and so realised they were basically on their own and stopped listening to guidelines that made no sense and did their own thing .

Young people lost the incentive to stay safe because they had no path out of the difficulties and the Government lost their support .

Basically MM failed to lead and he lost the people . I know that is very simplistically put but if a leader cant lead then no one listens

Sure, but there will be far fewer for them to use and MM has pronounced his "well before Christmas" relaxation of restrictions. IMO they are running out of road on them and pressure will come to bear on government to return to its own decision making.

I admire your optimism but no chance anything happens in winter. April 2022 if I was a betting man. Once no new variants appear between now and then

How are the likes of Tomas Ryan, Staines and Killeen getting on with their Zero Covid agenda these days? Evidence that it was never going to work is unfortunately there for all to see now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0822/1242173-world-coronavirus-covid/

I posted this in the restrictions thread but think it’s a relevant point here too. Of course there are going to be people who try to manipulate the system - they same people who are sick and won’t get tested or worse the people that know they are positive or close contacts and STILL go out into the community.

This is where antigen should be used in every household in the country.

I thought I had a head cold. Did antigen test and came up positive. Tested rest of family - 1 asymptotic daughter who was due to attend summer camp. I was due to travel to Clare to meet elderly relatives. 

I’m fully vaccinated. PCR confirmed antigen results for all our family. Antigen picked up 2nd child’s positive result 6days after mine. Again PCR confirmed this 48hrs after positive antigen. 

Antigen works. It’s not perfect but it worked for me and prevented an asymptotic child attending summer camp 20+ others. It’s absolute madness it has not been embraced by this country. But, hey, Tony knows best 🙄

This vaccine may hold promise for variants.

https://theconversation.com/whats-the-valneva-covid-19-vaccine-the-french-shot-thats-supposed-to-be-variant-proof-160345

Yes, I know. It was never viable here despite Staines, Ryan and Killeen saying it was.

Just listening to Newstalk and they’re talking about Israel and a suspicion that the protection from vaccines may already be waning in the face of Delta. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why?t=1629630652259