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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I saw CNN speculating last night though that Biden made a disastrous miscalculation and assumed the withdrawal would go virtually unnoticed and the public wouldn't even care too much if there were problems i.e. he fully bought into the idea of a disinterested US public who couldn't care less about Afghanistan. It doesn't seem to have occurred to him that the exit might be totally botched and that it could turn into a public relations shambles for the country.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    No one said that. You imagined it. Or more likely you built yourself a strawman.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101


    theres no need for you to try and minimise peoples reactions to this- if you dont see it - then you choose not to see it. But no point in debating that point since you don't see it. Maybe its the people you talk to - I have no idea. i agree to a certain extent on your last point its time for the US to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries as they cant offer a viable solution. G'day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101


    some people are indeed implying in their posts that its not a bid deal, people dont care and it will all be forgotten about. i wonder sometimes are we all reading the same things or is there an alternate boards.ie dimension



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101


    lord- every single person regardless of whether they are president or not should always hold themselves to a high standard and always question how they could improve and do things better. the fact that the President (who should be an even better version of human then us all as he is elected to represent the people) thinks it has all gone perfectly to plan - is a bit disturbing. Things should always be questioned as humanity is not a giant mindless robotic machine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,205 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So I can't post what my experience of talking to people is if it doesn't align with someone elses?

    Is that not literally asking for an echo chamber?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101


    media and social media tell a different story. but sure. people dont care. ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,205 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can you point to where Biden said everything has gone perfectly to plan? I didn't see him say that. I saw him justifying the withdrawal, but that isn't saying it was perfect.

    P.S. I think you'd be very naïve to think that just because someone has been elected to an office implies that they are a better human than others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,205 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I was referring to my experience of being in the US and how I have observed this being discussed. And I never said that people don't care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    My point around "courage" for Biden was more that the easy thing to do would have been to keep kicking it down the road as both Bush and Obama did. Either of them should have grasped the nettle at any point over the last 20 years , but they chose the path of least resistance. Keep spending money and lives without actually "doing" anything is where the inertia was.

    I don't disagree for a moment that the plight of the average Afghan right now is pretty bloody grim , doubly so for Women and those perceived to have aided the Americans.

    However the point of my post was about the attitudes of the vast majority of US voters. They really won't care for very much longer.

    The media will continue to report it for a while , but ultimately the volume will subside dramatically and within a few weeks , it really won't matter to them anymore.

    That's not right , that's not fair but it's the truth.

    Americans are overwhelming happy that their Troops are out of there and this time next year when they are in the teeth of election season Afghanistan simply won't matter.

    The response to any question about Afghanistan will be shut down instantly by saying "If we'd stayed X more US soldiers would be dead by now and Y many soldiers would be traumatically woundeed or suffering from PTSD - Is that what you want Mr. GOP , more dead Americans??" The GOP won't want to touch it with a barge pole.

    Again not right and absolutely terrible for the Afghani's but since when have the US held any kind of moral high-ground when it comes to taking responsibility for the outcomes of their pointless overseas attempts at "spreading democracy".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,359 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Absolutely nobody has said it was a "nothing burger". It's been a disaster and there has been much criticism at the way this was handled and of Biden's part in it.

    However, you and a handful of other worthless posters have been merely popping into a number of threads simply to take some cheap shots, like the one above. Tapping nonsense into your keyboard and offering nothing at all in the way of information or anything constructive to the entire debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Of course you ignored the question in the post. God forbid it challenge you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101


    why u have an attitude - maybe Biden didnt say the word perfect - but he is implying that no mistakes were made, everything going well etc etc etc. im in no mood for Biden vs Trump, Republican vs Democrats nonsense ok. my thoughts are with the afghan people all this other stuff is just annoying noise. G'day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Genuine question: I've read that there's 1000's of Americans still in Afghanistan. Is there any good reason for pulling troops out before evacuating those people? Surely pulling the troops out would be the last step.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭PropBuyer101


    the plan is the troops will remain until they get the citizens out



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    There are 3500 troops in Afghanistan. That’s something pretty basic you could have known.


    edit: actually 5000. 6000 by tomorrow

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It'd be interesting if any of the folks on here could link to a post showing their apparent long lasting concern for the people of Afghanistan. Maybe something from the last 3 to 6 months? Egg-in-face awaits me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭francois


    None obviously, their sudden concern stems solely from the fact the mango Mussolini is still a one term twice impeached, twice lost the popular vote loser.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    um afghanistan has been relatively stable the last while and not sure why it makes a difference if people are concerned now due to the withdrawal vs if its a long lasting concern. surely its a good thing if people have concern towards others- now they have to justify it. This forum is a laugh a minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,359 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's been anything but "stable".

    It might have looked ok in the likes of Kabul. But outside of the urban areas, it's been pretty chaotic. A huge amount of the population outside of cities have a daily difficulty of even feeding themselves the necessary calories they need and the US puppet Afghan government weren't too bothered. They were more interested in pocketing some cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    The fact that they can use it as a stick to beat Biden with is the only reason they post. Most of them wouldn't be able to pick Afghanistan out on a map never mind know anything about the history or the politics of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    This thread should just debate Biden and Trump then rather than using Afghanistan as an excuse to do it. Would make everyone's life easier. Here is a tip: If you want to talk about issues without having your opinion reduced to "you posted that because you support Biden" or "you posted that because you support Trump" then go to another thread. Problem solved and you can debate what you really want to debate all night long!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    You guys, crack me up.

    All of a sudden, you've all became Afghan history scholars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    They arent exactly going above and beyond to help citizens actually get to the airport so they can get out though. They are basically on their own, and many are finding it impossible to safely get there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




    Excellent article by Douglas Murray in the Telegraph today saying Biden was always unfit to be president but his Left-wing media cheerleaders didn’t dare admit it .

    The world appears to have woken up to an important truth this week: which is that Joe Biden is a truly terrible president.



  • Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Did you highlight the author's name to let us know that this opinion piece was written by a conspiracy theorist nutjob so that critical thinkers can ignore it and read something a bit more intellectually stimulating?

    Thank you, we appreciate your honesty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,895 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What makes him a terrible president this week? Should he have sent more troops into Afghanistan and continued fighting a war? It is funny watching the hysterics from the GOP supporters when their enforced plan actually got enacted. Biden has taken responsibility for it and getting people out safely. Should the be bringing lots of Afghani refugees over with them MisterAnarchy? We all know what your answer will be so it will be interesting if you have the fortitude to say it. Were you too embarrassed on your GBNews link from earlier to comment on that as well?



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