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The Delta variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    All the unvaccinated fault 😂

    Come on

    I watched the Dr John video above and he basically said

    No antibodies = No immunity

    You have to be pumped full of antibodies every few months to be protected with Pfizer eg being booster shot

    Now I’m not a doctor but that’s not how vaccines or immunity works?

    What about killer T Cells and all that?

    Isn’t it inefficient to be walking around fully of antibodies anyway

    I don’t have antibodies in my blood now for chicken pox after getting it as a 4 year old , but my T cells and B cells will remember I got infected 27 years ago and will protect me now at 31 years old

    Isnt that immunity is works?

    Pfizer vaccine seems to work on being high on antibodies 24/7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Having antibodies present at the time is seen as a "better" immune response - but it only really applies to those with a poor immune system in the first place.

    A healthy person with any kind of previous exposure will be able to produce antibodies rapidly when needed - it will mean an initial few days or so of infectiousness (even if vaccinated) but outcomes should be better. Unless you have a poor immune system or are in poor health in which case they want to "prime" your immune system to be operating at 100% constantly, so that should you come in contact with SARS-COV-2 your antibodies can neutralise it instantly.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think its a given now after 5 or 6 months efficacy wanes a lot so experts are rightly recommending boosters


    Latest PHE survey headline

    Pfizer 93% for first couple of months

    Then similar to AstraZeneca as it wanes a lot


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58257863



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They're pretty sure because it's been known about for all vaccines and was even measured for all the COVID vaccines going back to the phase 2 trials and has been constantly monitored since. There will be breakthrough cases (because the vaccines aren't 100%) and antibodies will wane (and luckily can be brought back quickly with a booster), but T-Cell memory will be sufficient for most people.

    They should be aiming for 80%+ coverage of vaccines which Ireland will likely get to, at the levels the US is at, this will continue being a big problem with lots of unvaccinated and some vaccinated getting severely sick and some dying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Well if you go back to the beginning he has called it right all along and made it simple enough for the layman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I'll take your word for it as I don't watch too many of his videos.

    No doubt he's good at explaining things and fair play to him. Seems a nice fella.

    My only issue is that people view him as a Covid expert/guru which he most certainly isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I think you can't be too picky. To have someone who is talks honestly and earnestly and makes a real effort to be accurate with real life medical experience that people connect with and trust is a blessing really.


    Not everyone is going to read scientific papers but have a curiosity and appetite for more information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah, if he was really honest he'd remind people that Dr John is a nurse. He's had an itch too more than once for the likes of Ivermectin and I recall posters commenting on occasions on his misinterpretation of data. As for scientific papers well if you're willing to sit through his videos you should also be willing to go to the unfiltered source. There have also been many good media sources on this to evaluate information if people could be bothered to look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I think he is quite open about his background, and explains things quite simply to people who want an opinion. Below is his introduction.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Yeah he’s a good guy and he doesn’t give his opinions, he’s just reading stats from a page mostly that he gets from good sources and brings up he is a nurse a lot

    I like him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    YouTube is not a source I'd ever go to on this. Not fan of the plethora of self-appointed experts on COVID, of which he is one. I watched one of his videos and it really did nothing for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭Unicorn Milk Latte


    While I agree with you in general on YouTube and self-appointed fake experts, the single most valuable source of information on Covid I have found is the German language 'Coronavirus Update' podcast (also available on YouTube), with virologist Christian Drosten, who has researched coronaviruses for many years, discovered SARS-COV-1 in 2003, and created the first Covid PCR test in early 2020 - the same test that is still used everywhere to this day. He has thoroughly covered the basics, and frequently explains new studies and puts them in context. Real world insight from one of the world's foremost virologists. He's also very careful to differentiate between science and politics, and stays out of the latter. Nothing against 'Dr John', he seems to be well intentioned, but this is on an entirely different level of expertise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭Unicorn Milk Latte


    Two studies out of Israel, that clarify the situation.

    The first one, about the number of vaccinated in hospitals, clarifies that when a higher percentage of people of the population is vaccinated, a higher percentage is expected in hospitals as well. If you look at the actual numbers, they prove how highly effective the vaccines are.



    The second one is a study about break through infections of vaccinated people. Turns out almost all of the break through infections affect people with other ongoing health issues, including 40% that are immunocompromised.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    That first article is excellent, I'd strongly recommend anyone that's concerned about the Israeli data to read it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    It took a while, but it looks like delta is really starting to take off in many central and eastern European countries where vaccine uptake is much lower than in the rest of Europe.

    Some seem to have a lot of natural immunity due to poor handling of the virus over the last 18 months, so hopefully that'll help keep a lid on things now.

    It's a pretty sorry state of affairs though.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I cant believe electric picnic is not going ahead or Dublin Marathon...

    The UK are the reasons why are cases are high here.

    Its a petri dish of infection for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Our nearest neighbours and NI.

    NI cases 1500-2000 a day.

    Thats about 20,000 people in the north at any given time that are infectious.

    Per capita that would be 4000-5000 cases here per day.

    Also plenty of movement between two islands.

    Look at eastern europe.

    It seems slower to spread (less seeds).

    They basically had no first wave in spring 2020 at all.

    Your neighbours infection rate does have a bearing on cases/seeding new variants especially now with more movement.

    UK have been excellent at seeding new variants and bringing new ones in to us quickly.

    Thanks UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Negative posters are only attracted by negative news and vice versa TBH… in reality, the Vaccines aren’t a silver bullet but we are in a way better position with them.

    Honestly though! I can read a negative post here or a doom & gloom link and 100% whittle it down to the same Three or Four posters without looking at the Username. Granted, the usernames change every couple of weeks or so, but it’s the same old sh1te from the same Vocal Minority.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    They also said that that the vaccines provide a high level of protection from serious illness and death, which was what they were designed to do. Not only are they doing that, they are doing it for a mutant variant that was not there when they were developed.

    A NBC report 10th. August 2021 found that data frpm 38 US states showed that the breakthrough cases from the numbers vaccinted in those states was 0.076%, and Covid deaths due to those breakthroughs of those vaccinated in those states collectively was just 0.00085%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Again, why is it Uk's fault Ireland cannot have a marathon or some festival ? I thought that was announced a while ago that they would not be going ahead.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where did I say that?

    I am saying huge events not run in a controlled manner like that will cause plenty of covid cases.

    MM asked Tony recently why are cases are so high at present given vaccine role out?

    Tony said our proximity to UK and open border to NI with cases so high there that seeds into us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Of course he will say that. Do you think they will take responsibility themselves. They have to blame someone else don't they.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I actually believe it.

    There is circa 1% of UK currently infected with covid.

    No masks, little restrictions and plenty of movement on these islands.

    Why are all border counties the highest infection rates in country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The vast majority of new cases here are the Delta variant which became prominent in the U.K. due to high infection levels there before spreading here and throughout Europe. If a variant had evolved here then it would have spread to the NI border counties rather than vice versa which happened with the Delta variant in our border counties. So ultimately the more transmissable Delta variant cannot be blamed on the Irish authorities.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    It spread into the UK because the UK is well linked to the rest of the world, and specifically India. Then it spread from there because the UK is well linked with the rest of the world. Is it the UK's fault that other countries continued to let travellers in? The UK had very low case rates when Delta arrived, and high vaccination rates compared to the rest of the world. Cases have increased, but deaths have not spiked up anything like in previous waves and since the time that Delta arrived in the UK they have felt the numbers of cases/ deaths/ hospitalisations have been manageable and gone from mostly closed down to barely anything restricted and not much changed.


    How is what other countries did to handle the same situation the UK's fault? They are not responsible for the new variants occurring, nobody is as it just happens. Now it could be argued that the initial arrival of Delta into the UK was the fault of Johnson, but it would be incredibly naïve to think that Johnson doing things different with the timing of travel restrictions would have stopped Delta ever arriving in other countries or the UK. It was always going to leak in somewhere, and it was always likely to be through the UK due to the nature of world travel.


    Other countries had months of warning that there was a Delta variant on it's way before cases locally increased after seeing what happened in India and the UK. It's on them if they didn't do anything to prepare for that.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Frankly,if Boris had imposed mhq for India a few weeks earlier instead of not wanting to offend the Indians during trade negotiations, we would be in way less of a mess

    Not that what we are in is actually a mess

    Thats whose fault the high numbers are,And the deaths



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No, we'd just be a couple of weeks behind where we currently are. There was no stopping Delta getting into the country, just might have had a few less seeding events initially, but it would still have taken off in case numbers exactly as it has. Deaths would still be the same as those dying were already vaccinated anyway so once it got into the country and spread, which it is still doing despite vaccination, those people would still have died.


    Really don't see that there was anything that could have been done to stop it, and any additional restrictions being kept in place for longer doesn't seem to make much difference either to overall cases.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If it came from India, it needed an airplane to get to the UK and Europe

    Of course it could have been stopped for a while

    But then again it's tge fear of Delta that's driven on tge vaccine campaign,so maybe when it finally did arrive with someone slipping through the net,we'd be no better off



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