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The Irish protocol.

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  • #1592
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Trade between the North and South has risen sharply in the wake of Brexit. This might actually benefit the island of Ireland, North and South.

    The value of goods being imported from Northern Ireland to the Republic has jumped by 77 per cent since the UK left the EU at the start of the year, while the value of exports from the South to the North has risen by 43 per cent, according to new data from the Central Statistics Office (CSO).



  • #1593
    FrancieBrady
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117762083#Comment_117762083

    The growing interdependence that belligerent Unionism and partitionists have nightmares about.



  • #1594
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117762083#Comment_117762083

    Trade divergence. Specifically identified as a reason for triggering article 26



  • #1595
    downcow
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    This thread discussed 11th night bonfires at length in a not very positive manner. I’m not surprised there is no mention of the 15th aug republican fires. They always outdo the worst of the loyalist fires with their bigotry and offence.

    just interesting that it doesn’t upset people here to the same extent.

    I am shocked 🙄



  • #1596
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763361#Comment_117763361

    If you want to have a discussion on them, then yes, it was disgusting what they had on them.

    Personally, I believe that no side needs to have bonfires.

    Are you trying to imply that nationalists have double standards? Maybe some do but the majority do not.



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  • #1597
    mariab21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763361#Comment_117763361

    Its disgraceful. A bunch of scumbags who built it and put the banners up

    Certain parts of Derrys nationalist areas need to take a good look at the community areas in West Belfast with a dance night in Falls Park with 10,000 kids at resulting in fire brigade not having 1 call to a bonfire in the 15th.



  • #1598
    Fionn1952
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763361#Comment_117763361

    The scale (in size and in number) of the 15th night bonfires makes them incomparable, Downcow. I've no problem saying I think any effigy or flag burning on them is vile, hateful and doesn't represent me....but they're not being discussed because most people don't give a sh*te about them.....the RTE doesn't do a full schedule of TV shows highlighting the occasion to bring it to most people's awareness; I'd imagine the majority on this thread genuinely don't know what you're talking about.

    While saying that the handful of August 15th bonfires outdo the worst of 11th night fires is hyperbole of the highest order, I'll highlight that when actually commented on, the (handful of) bonfires were condemned without exception among the Nationalist political leadership, with even the likes of Gerry Kelly tweeting about how inappropriate it was. This stands in severe contrast with the ostrich act that goes on with the 11th night fires.

    You'll notice there's also no one on here defending those bonfires, or trying to suggest they're family friendly days out like you do with the 11th?



  • #1599
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763324#Comment_117763324

    What part of Article 26 would justify one side or the other taking action currently?

    ARTICLE 26

    Import and export restrictions

    1. A Party shall not adopt or maintain any prohibition or restriction on the importation of any good of the other Party or on the exportation or sale for export of any good destined for the territory of the other Party, except in accordance with Article XI of GATT 1994, including its Notes and Supplementary Provisions. To that end, Article XI of GATT 1994 and its Notes and Supplementary Provisions are incorporated into and made part of this Agreement, mutatis mutandisor of the TCA?

    2. A Party shall not adopt or maintain:

    (a) export and import price requirements, except as permitted in enforcement of countervailing and anti-dumping duty orders and undertakings; or

    (b) import licensing conditioned on the fulfilment of a performance requirement



  • #1600
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763432#Comment_117763432

    Well they seem to be suggesting that a concert on the falls road where they chant ooh aah up the ra, is to be commended.



  • #1601
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763854#Comment_117763854

    …although a GAA club near me will be running their annual event this weekend which will include such chants and worse, so I can understand why nationalists think it is commendable. I would be disgusted if Northern Ireland football supporters had any such event. Thankfully they are a little more inclusive.



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  • #1602
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763381#Comment_117763381

    i just heard that the event you are lauding is being investigated as a hate crime. You say 10,000 young people. What does that tell you. Do you know any events 10,000 young unionists attend that have ever been investigated as hate crimes?



  • #1603
    mariab21
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763894#Comment_117763894

    That the was the wolfe tones last night with the pro ira chanting not the dance nite last weekend on internment night attended in falls park.

    I got my dates wrong but i clearly stated dance nite and was referring to that nite



  • #1604
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763919#Comment_117763919

    Fair enough. I didn’t know about the dance night. Hope they had a great event



  • #1605
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763324#Comment_117763324

    I don't think you know what those words mean D as they have no relation to what I am talking about.



  • #1606
    Fionn1952
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763854#Comment_117763854

    One topic at a time please, Downcow. I thought you were asking for comparisons between the bonfires last night and the 11th night.....all discussion of which I note you completely dropped when confronted with how ridiculous your comparison was.


    If you want to discuss the Feile, then the moment I'd highlight would be the huge number of kids in Falls Park signing an anti-war song.....of course you'd rather ignore that though.



  • #1607
    Suckler
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763361#Comment_117763361

    When no other avenues of distraction arise....you diverge in to this whataboutery.



  • #1608
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763432#Comment_117763432

    This is hardly a handful of people. In contrast you will struggle to find more than a handful of young unionists chanting ‘the U, the U, the UVF. Our community by contrast has not mainstreamed the lauding of sectarian killers.

    It is simply a disgrace that this happens year after year funded by Taxpayers money and with no attempt to improve

    https://youtu.be/EqpMESxMpwY



  • #1609
    FrancieBrady
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117765478#Comment_117765478

    What public money went to the bonfire in Derry?

    Do Unionist leaders unequivocally criticise the numerous offensive bonfires in July? I think a quick google would show some Unionist leaders actually attending these events.



  • #1610
    mariab21
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117765478#Comment_117765478

    The wolfe tones gig receives no taxpayers money.



  • #1611
    Fionn1952
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117765478#Comment_117765478

    You asked me a question about 15th bonfires....what relevance does a music festival in West Belfast have to bonfires on the 15th?

    I presume that you're tacitly accepting that you were talking nonsense when you tried to compare them to 11th Night bonfires?



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  • #1612
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763486#Comment_117763486

    Any chance of a reply to this DC?



  • #1613
    Dazler97
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    I'm 24 and I hope in my life time we will see a untied Ireland



  • #1614
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117767936#Comment_117767936

    The recent actions of the British government aided by the unionists in NI (and in particular the DUP) have made a united Ireland a much more likely possibility.

    Were the aspirations of the unionists and loyalists to come true and the Brits reneged on the Withdrawal Agreement/TCA/NIP then this would clearly affect people's pockets in NI which would drive a merger even closer. However, I can't see the British government doing this because they know what would happen.

    Note that if and when NI leaves the UK, Scotland will leave soon after. Brexit has ensured that Scotland is even more determined to leave.



  • #1615
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117765573#Comment_117765573

    You’ll find it was not me raised the festival but rather another poster was lauding it so I thought we should all get the blinkers off and see what was really happening at the festival.

    as for comparing bonfires. I think you’ll struggle to find images from loyalist bonfires this year that will be in the same league of bitterness than the republican ones mocking British and Irish dead



  • #1616
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117767936#Comment_117767936

    I doubt you will have that pleasure but at least you are talking realistic time scales. Tbh anything is possible in 50 years and none of us really know



  • #1617
    Fionn1952
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117768911#Comment_117768911

    That conversation wasn't with me, Downcow. You asked about the bonfire on the 15th, made a total fool of yourself with it and are desperately backpedaling to try and avoid acknowledging how wrong you were.


    Are you genuinely suggesting that this year's 11th night had NO fires that were comparable to the one you posted about?

    How about a little charity wager? You post a photo of each individual bonfire you can find from the 15th night in 2021 containing bitter sectarianism, afterwards I'll post every photo I can find of each individual bonfire I can find from the 11th night in 2021 (I'm aware of the much greater lockdown restrictions in place in July, I'm willing to accept the handicap). I'll even stick to your currency, say £20 to a charity of the opposition's choice for each unmatched photo?



  • #1618
    UDAWINNER
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763871#Comment_117763871

    Yeah, because Windsor Park is such a welcoming place for Nationalists, comparing the 12th Hatefest to August is simply stupid and I don't remember any loyalists having to leave their houses for ages(many of my relatives leave the north for weeks during july because of intimidation, parades, etc) because of people/scum marching where they are not wanted.



  • #1619
    UDAWINNER
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    https://www.derryjournal.com/news/politics/senators-wish-orange-order-and-supporters-safe-and-happy-july-12-but-lament-burning-of-irish-symbols-on-bonfires-3306390

    Downcow, I presume you think that bonfire is not sectarian



  • #1620
    downcow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117769145#Comment_117769145

    A less than subtle twist to what I said.

    of course we can argue about every single display on bonfires and we surely won’t agree.

    my point was very clear and nothing to do with quantity. It was about content. I said that republicans yet again stooped to lower levels of bitterness than loyalists on bonfires this year.

    so one example in Londonderry mocks and names a gentleman catholic police officer murdered be republicans and names another police officer and says he’ll be next. They also mock many dead in my community Can you identify a loyalist fire that stooped this low this year.

    as for the festival lauded by the other poster. I simply asked if anyone could find a video of thousands of young unionists chanting UVF. I don’t think young unionists have normalised terrorism like young nationalists as evident at this years (and every years) west Belfast festival



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  • #1621
    UDAWINNER
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    https://republican-news.org/current/news/2021/07/eleventh_tensions_pass_without.html

    Another sectarian bonfire, anyone who set these up should be facing charges but of course loyalists are angered by the positivity West Belfast is getting because of the feile and it was attended by many Unionists unlike the 12th hatefest, many more of these online, google is your friend



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