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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker



    Prisons looking like having 84%+ vaccine uptake. I'm very pleasantly surprised by this, I thought it would be much lower. Great to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983



    Yeah kind of think you are right….Which I hate :( Which kind of begs the question ‘When will we ever go back to full normality like UK, places in US, etc?’….Again I know unfortunately none of us have the answer to this but if I was a betting man it won’t happen this winter :) Hopefully I am wrong :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    It is a crap situation

    We should be able to live with it, with such good vaccines, no excuses.

    But we will only be back to normality like the poster above said

    When we sort out the hospitals, which ain’t gonna happen soon.

    Will be interesting to see what’s happens in next the few weeks with schools back, summer ending

    ICU are gonna creep above 50 soon and hospitalisation towards 400

    Will NPHET and HSE sounds alarms before Winter comes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    It wont happen like other countries because we do not have a health system fit for purpose. This has been known for a long time and flagged last year . Yet nothing has been done to increase bed capacity or ICU capacity to suit our population . Its a massive scandal and the reason why Ireland will always lag behind our neighbours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It is indeed a scandal that nothing fundamental has been done to increase HSE capacity to manage through this winter and we'll all be dealing with the consequences of that through ongoing restrictions on our lives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,725 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    i suspect theres no more money. which is why we are opening up in spite of the numbers. if nphet had there way there would be a lot less open. but I'm looking forward to door dining tonight.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Could be true, the cost benefit to restrictions just isn’t there with Delta, Australia have thrown everything at keeping it out and struggling big time now, looking at defeat right in the eyes

    True enjoy the now, I’m doing the same, have been going out to restaurants as much as I can and heading to Spain next Sunday

    What will happen, will happen, nothing we can do about it, we hired clowns and got a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    This makes fûck all sense to me! Just give the admittance numbers for those actually admitted because of covid!! Nothing else!




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    Between lack of capacity in hospitals potentially disrupting everything and threats of power cuts this winter, due to inability to manage planning of demand and a legal case over competition blocking emergency capacity, and a huge and somehow just passively accepted housing crisis, Ireland is looking less and less attractive by the day.

    I’m kinda wondering is it time to start looking at jobs abroad again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    This is a joke statement. They're trying to make it sound like 92% are there for treatment for Covid when in fact they are just saying 92% have symptoms. If they can sya that then surely they can say how many are in hospital primarily for Covid treatment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Don't forget capacity for testing ? I mean, who would think that by doing that you could actually find more positive people and isolate them so they stop running around passing it on to others.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    it is a joke! Can’t be that hard to count how many actually admitted because they needed treatment for covid! Me looking at this now makes the hospital numbers pointless! How many are just getting paracetamol as treatment????

    anyone else notice as well NPHET have been relatively quiet except for a few bits on Twitter? they obviously know the exact situation. They haven’t met in 3 weeks and no press conference in nearly 4 weeks. Which is good…



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Like I said before, the HSE and NPHET will never be truthful about the hospital numbers. Paracetamol is a treatment.

    How many receiving treatment are just getting a few paracetamol a day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,406 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    That tweet is taking the piss. Another "journalist" that hasn't got the balls to investigate and report on meaningful figures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    There's an article in the Business Post today warning that eirgrid are looking at the possibility of not being able to meet power needs this winter with blackouts and brownouts being a possibility.

    At it's core it's just like the fact the HSE is on the brink. Laziness and incompetence leading to a failure to plan for future eventualities. Irish governance is riddled with incompetence and a laissez-faire "shur it'll be grand" attitude.

    Not to mention the absolute state of the housing situation and other things like a chronically underfunded and underinvested public transport system: Ireland is an absolute joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    The breakdown of the 92% is literally what people had asked about - admitted with vs. caught in hospital, or admitted + tested positive as a result of testing all on admission. Information that is likely retrievable within minutes in any competent system. 'Treated' is also rather vague as it could mean anything from taking paracetamol for those in for another reason but have mild symptoms nonetheless (that typically wouldn't need hospitalisation but they are there either ways), to the more obvious oxygen etc. for those completely struck down with the virus.

    Like it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because the main problem in the HSE is a capacity issue, not a COVID one, so the breakdown is meaningless really when its the total number for all reasons putting pressure on the system.

    But it is just hilarious why there is such an issue with providing the info. Ah well, as I said, doesn't really matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    Paul Reid has experessed his deepest concerns with rising Covid cases. I'd say that the days of our freedom are numbered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,406 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Maybe he should shift some of his concern to the state of the health service that he's supposedly running



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    They've had 18 months to augment the capacity in hospitals and they've done.... **** all.

    Don't make us suffer because they're still as useless as they've always been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The pandemic has put the kybosh on that for now. All he has done to date is reorganise hospital groups and asked for loadsa money. They did manage to deal with 2,000 odd COVID cases in hospital in January, including 200 or so in ICU.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Yup - it very much seems like this is the case…I remember before pandemic they would be noise on the news about lack of hospital beds….I never paid too much attention to be fair….It’s got my attention now :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Increasing ICU capacity is not as simple as people think. It takes 2 years post-registration to train ICU nurses. Similarly, it takes 8 years post internship (ie post-degree) to fully train an intensivist. Time aside, it is impossible to recruit people to this area. It is high stakes, constant stress, with a burnout rate of 70% for ICU professionals. It is one of the few areas of medicine where there is regular vacancies waiting to be filled. Finally, the actual cost of keeping even 1 extra patient is astounding. People think that the government should just wave a wand and fix the ICU problem. It’s not that simple. And you are literally dealing with the sickest, most deranged patients in the hospital. A random nurse or doctor just cannot provide the quality of care that we would expect for a loved-one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,310 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    We simply can't afford lockdowns cause of this issue and the fact mental health of people will sky rocket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I was reacting to people’s comment that we should have upscaled our ICU capacity for the winter. If things were simple then they would be solved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They were warned about lack of icu capacity over 10 years ago. We're 18 months into this and we're still waiting so while I accept that it takes time, that contuined excuse is wearing thin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    1,758 cases, 248 in hospital and 48 in ICU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Ireland has had an ICU deficit for decades. This isn't a new issue, but the consequences of years of inaction and failure to act are now coming home to roost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Western healthcare systems aren't really built for epidemics, which is one of the reasons for all the problems the current epimedic is causing in hospitals.

    But then again, it's been 18 months already so there has been time to adapt. And I'm still not too sure what our healthcare system is built for. Hopefully the situation doesn't get too much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    10-15 years ago, if people were over 70, they would really struggle to get into ICU. Currently, with people living longer and in better conditions, the expectations and goals of therapy are changing. This unprecedented surge in demand has not been occurring for decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Let's use your timeline. We haven't done enough in the last 10-15 years to increase capacity. We have less capacity than the EU average and languish at the bottom of the pile. That you can try to defend this is all that is wrong with this country and why those in charge don't have to fear being held accountable. In April 2020 we had the 3rd lowest ICU capacity in the OECD. You think that is acceptable??




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