Climate Change is Normal and Welcome in My Opinion

Now before you complain about the scale, this next one is the temperature record for the earth for the last 600 or so million years. Look at the right hand extremity of that line, can you see the rise in termperature that the IPCC and others are peddling as catastrophic and which will soon be 'too late'? And that's a far larger scale than the one above.

Here's another one from NOAA showing the last 800,000 years and the relationship between atmospheric CO2 and temperature:

As you can see, there is a very clear repeating pattern of peaks and troughs. The latter are ice ages and the recent rise in CO2 and temperature is a perfect match for that pattern, but the climate scientists are telling us current events are unprecedented in the earth's history, when clearly they are not, in fact, they try very hard to keep the conversation about only the last few hundred years.

It's thought that there is a direct relationship between the Gulf stream moving heat from the equator to the northern parts of the Atlantic and ice ages, with a shutting down of that current and heat transport being linked to ice ages. The gulf stream has been slowing for at least a thousand years, and more notecably since the 1850s.

So, Ice ages are preceeded by three things: A considerable and rapid rise in global temperature - check. A considerable and rapid rise in CO2 levels - check. A slowing and eventual halting of the Gulf stream - looks like it, so check.

So what seems to be happening now fits the pattern of what we know happens when ice ages kick off, but this time it's our fault?

Of course climate scientists know this, that is why they changed the discussion from Global Warming to 'Climate Change' so if temperatures actually started falling, or there were cold weather events, they could claim credit for predicting it.

You can all bend over and grab your ankles, but I am going to keep a look out for signs of large icebergs splitting from Antarctica and drifting further north than usual, because that is supposed to be another thing that happens just before ice ages kick off.

"Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum" https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

That was in 2014. Antarctica appears to have been piling on the pounds and putting on weight:

"A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed  to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

“We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.” Zwally added that his team “measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas.”https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

Of course if Antarctica starts shedding icebergs, the alarmists will ignore the recent weight gain and sell it as yet another sign of catastrophic anthropogenic Global warming (I refuse to use that BS term climate change). They won't say, oh dear, here comes the next ice age.

Calm down Brie. Getting a bit upset about all this

If we take the complexity of the argument and just establish simple facts I think we would be doing well.

There have always been periods of warming and cooling, these epochs correlate nicely with CO2 levels in the atmosphere. I don't think anyone would disagree with this less than earth shattering statement.

Overtime, life adapted to these often slowly increasing levels and began to sequester carbon into wood and other biological material.

This sequestered carbon then became buried and over millions of years formed the fossil fuels like coal oil and natural gas.

Fast forward a few million years and a bunch of smart apes mined and burned this fuel releasing this carbon into the atmosphere once more.

These apes having become less fond of the trees over time began to clear the forests while injecting millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere.

This limits to ability of nature to sequester the carbon, consequently it will build up in the atmosphere. While not as potent a greenhouse gas as methane it can and does provide an insulating effect. As evidenced by both current data and data obtained from the fossil record.

This is as simple as I believe it possible to make this. Those that cannot or will not take the time to educate themselves with the portable supercomputer they are browsing the internet with are solely deserving of contempt and nothing else.

Where do you want them to go to get the numbers?

In other breaking news, crafty scientists have been also found out in relation to their hoax claims that smoking causes cancer. It seems that the people doing the surveys stupidly only asked scientists who were actively researching and publishing on cancer. It was like surveying a casino.........blah blah

No. It won’t reverse until we hit another mini ice age. Might slow it though

I don't think that there is any ignorance in simple facts that were outlined above. Could you direct me to the section of my post that has caused you confusion? I would be very happy to explain this to you again.

The earth is a lot smaller and far more sensitive than you think. We are lucky that we have existed in a time of relative geological and climatic stability.

In the interests of debate I am going to ask you some questions, if you wouldn't mind indulging?

Do you agree that we as a species are pumping carbon into the air?

Do you agree that we are interfering with biological processes that would help over time to lower carbon levels in the atmosphere? And by interfering I mean deforestation, destruction of species etc just so we are clear.

Are you going to engage with my previous post? I would like to understand your point of view on the questions I put you.

What effect do you think the addition of millions of tons of Carbon dioxide to the atmosphere will on fact have?

It can't have no effect can it? When you reason it out there must be some result from simultaneous deforestation and buildup of atmospheric co2. I would be keen to hear your thoughts on this effect, if not global warming then what?

'Of course there are records from the past, did you read anything about the report?'

Nope.

'Just because it was warm in little England doesn't necessarily mean the world was warmer on average for example.'

Was it though?

aye - ten of the hottest years in the past 120 years have been since 1990. weather hasnt changed my arse.

To fix things the idea of making money needs to be forgotten about, that's why nothing substantial will happen