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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Don't mind the OP, he follows Trump's line that more testing causes more cases. He shows a chart of testing per capita, which means jack **** on its own, especially when the UK's include any and all tests, not just PCR.

    I'm not sure on Germany's PCR positivity rate, but the UK's is 8.2%



  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unfortunately a lot of people don't consider having to wear those things to be a restriction. In fact, I have never heard any mention of how much they change society. Never seeing people smile, not being able to communicate properly, not seeing people's faces. It doesn't seem to bother most people.



  • Posts: 243 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Full house at Brentford v arsenal.full house in bundesliga too.and not a mask to be seen.if only them countries had a Tony type figure to show them the error of their ways.oh wait they’re getting on with living life while we have to hid away from the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    I didn’t even bother answering....I don’t have time to list out ALL the restrictions but the dogs on the street know we are still heavily restricted - I’d imagine there a lot I’m not quite aware of...



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep it’s sad really, interactions with others just aren’t the same with a mask obscuring half your face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No i am more of the opinion that the more tests you do, the more cases you find. The more cases you find the more people you can isolate and therefore you lower the spread of transmission in the overall population.

    Fair enough the UK did lots of tests in anticipation of Delta possibly arriving, and millions were a waste of time and money, but by actually testing the vaccinated and people without symptoms those groups actually accounted for 30% of all positive cases in the end.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    As someone said in another thread, you have to arrive here from somewhere like the UK to realize how strange the situation still is here.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, things look very normal at Brentford Community Stadium.

    But I guess the UK are well ahead of us in vaccinations…..oh, wait…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I have huge sympathy for you, but equally the duty of care of the hospital is to the woman and the child. So long as so many people pregnant women and partners refuse to get vaccinated, this is the only course they can take.

    if the wider population was at 40% vaccination rate, we'd all be screwed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭VG31


    This is all true and they are also very difficult for the deaf and hard of hearing. Not to mention they are uncomfortable to wear, particularly for long periods and in hot weather.

    Obviously during a pandemic these negatives are heavily outweighed by the benefits of masks. I supported mask wearing and wear a mask wherever required. But we are rapidly approaching a point where everyone who wants to be will be vaccinated. This coupled with our very high vaccination rate means that there will be no justification for mandatory mask wearing and social distancing in a few weeks.

    Anyone who wants to continue wearing masks can do so of course, but forcing them on people is no longer justified.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And yet we’ll be wearing them for months to come undoubtedly. Probably be 2022 before we can say goodbye to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    In the decade preceding the pandemic, the mean IQ score on standardised tests for children aged between three months and three years of age hovered around 100, but for children born during the pandemic that number tumbled to 78, according to the analysis, which is yet to be peer-reviewed.


    Obsessive boomer doomerism has impacted kids - just one of many impacts that are now starting to be measured, that were sadly and OBVIOUSLY predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭revelman


    Guesses but:

    1. The German healthcare system is infinitely better than ours. Last year, when Covid was found to have spread in some nursing homes in Germany, there was a huge outcry in the national media. Most nursing homes had no Covid transmission. This is quite incredible. It is the same in hospitals. There is and was far less Covid transmission in German hospitals than in Irish ones and hospital transmission always formed a significant portion of our numbers.
    2. Another significant portion of numbers is household transmission. German families tend to be much smaller than Irish families which mean fewer people get infected in the household. It also means extended families are not as big so fewer people are visiting aunts, uncles, cousins etc
    3. Finally age profile. Germany has a much older population than Ireland. Young people are more likely to ignore social distancing and catch the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    No, you present a chart showing the UK testing multiple times more than Germany, showing the UK is leading in testing (per capita), omitting the fact that it's meaningless without comparing testing vs cases (positivity rate)

    If the UK are "finding more cases and the more you find the more you can get to isolate and lower the spread" how are their case numbers increasing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭blackcard


    And yet, despite all that, Germany has had a higher death rate than Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Probably because they got Delta 3 months before Germany has.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So what's the critical point for a dominant variant in your eyes? 51%?

    When did the UK have 51% Delta and when did Germany have 51% delta?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭revelman


    Because it has a much older population?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No idea with, but UK was 70% Delta on the 22nd of May. No idea about Germany, when did Germany become 51% Delta ?

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    You were the one stating the UK got the delta variant 3 months before Germany as justification for the UK having high cases (apart from, as you say Germany not testing enough)

    So is 1 detected case the definition for the UK getting Delta before Germany or would you consider it based on it being the dominant variant? based on only 2 variants that would be 51%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,126 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Do they have a higher death rate???

    Its easy to fall into the trap of thinking we've had less deaths in Ireland because we've less people

    We've right up there in Europe with our death rate

    IF 1 million vulnerable Irish citizens hadn't emigrated in the 40,50s & 60s and subsequently died in the UK & US it would have been even higher



  • Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd suspect most of the differences are down to Delta. We are very good at self-flagilation in Ireland and certain other countries are also very quick to self congratulate and put it down to a superior way of doing things.

    We had very low numbers until Delta swept in and we've absolutely no way of keeping it out.

    The UK got it far faster than most because of large numbers of flights to and from India and Boris' refusal to red list it because there were trade talks on going.

    That's basically the origin of the UK's and thus our high case numbers.

    If we can keep the numbers in hospital down to sane levels with vaccines, great. If we can't, there's an absolute mess impending globally.

    I'm getting a bit concerned that we're looking into at a lost decade globally with wave after wave after wave until immunity eventually kicks in.

    No pandemic was ever defeated in a couple of years. We've much better tools, particularly with the speed of development of mRNA vaccines etc, but it's kinda hard to see where this is going.

    We can't just hide for years, but it's looking like we're not quite there yet with a complete fix for this.

    Hopefully we'll be looking back at this in 12 months time as a bad memory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What are you on about ? It is not justification about anything, that is the way it is. You asked the question i gave the answer that the UK got Delta 3 months before Germany.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    But you can't define what 'getting delta means' or when Germany 'got' delta.

    Most people refer to a date when a certain variant become dominant, maybe you can specify that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The headline is a question. I can't read the facts, maybe you can summarise?

    So all those young irish people who emigrated to the UK and the USA caused their death rate to increase, it wasn't the lax restrictions when all this started?

    Can we exclude any non-irish cases/hospitalisations and deaths also so our figures look super good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,737 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Discussion of lack of Restrictions at Bundesliga . ...

    30% capacity, vaccination or proof of negative test

    Not a full house . And the clubs are trying to encourage vaccination to get their crowds back .

    Not that people thanking the post would know because nobody here checks facts anymore .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,126 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    To summarise, the less vulnerable people in a population the lower the death rate will be



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,737 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You think?

    Anyway most people are unmasked now as vaccinated so its really only amongst strangers . Or antivaxxers .



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