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Ragwort

  • 09-08-2021 8:30am
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Just a tip on ragworth, take photos of where there is ragworth on your farm now and store the pictures in one file.then next April you will be able to check exactly where needs to be sprayed

    Post edited by greysides on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Problem is though there wasn't a chance around here to spray last spring so things have deteriorated. Hopefully next spring will be better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Constant battle.

    Might get out after work, ground should be soft enough to let them out easy pulling.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    We wouldn't have any ragworth across owned or rented land.any time it's seen its pulled and dosent get a foothold then.its not like we don't have plenty nettles and docks but the hatred of it has been passed down from our mother and now our family has it as well.tractor stopped anywhere its its seen and pulled.that said pulling is a waste of time in any quantities and spraying is the only job but its too late when it's obvious



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Have spent years pulling the rotten stuff, thankfully I have none on any of the land at the minute, but there is some in the road verges which I am now in the process of pulling, i have this nearly all removed too, but how far past your boundary do you need to go to keep it out of you land. See a field beside me that there was none in a few years back and now there is load.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Same as that, you just have to keep on top of it all the time. On one piece of land away from the main block I’m joining another farmer on 3 sides and at this time of year his place is a sea of yellow. You can just about see the backs of his 180 dairy cows when they are standing up grazing in it.

    I’ve drystock in my land and every day when I’m there herding I’d be looking around and pulling out anything I see. I assume a lot of the seeds would be travelling in the wind at this time of year so it is very annoying to be surrounded by it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Ragwort is more plentiful here this year. Wrenched my left shoulder pulling it yesterday, still very painful. Bought a ragfork last year, the short handle is definitely not for a 5'9", neither is pulling it. Some ragwort was cut down during the dry spell, it has recovered and flowering on the shorter stems. It is such a resilient plant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭James2020App


    A bit of an amateurs question here but would topping ragwort do more harm than good?


    Also the same question for thistles will topping it help?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    My understanding is that cutting Ragwort means while it won't flower this year, it stays alive over the winter to put up several flowering shoots next year.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    We pulled a 6 acre field over the last 10 days. It was supposed to be sprayed in the spring. Did half an hour a day. At least you can see some progress for what you're at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    After cutting it recovers enough to flower lower down on new side shoots.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭dohc turbo2


    Cutting it is dangerous as if not removed it becomes palatable and they will eat it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,103 ✭✭✭amacca


    This.............as it rots it becomes attractive to eat and its toxic to cattle...builds up in their system and they slowly waste away/dont thrive etc...topping is a pain in the hole as you cant let them graze it until its well gone and even then you are nervous. Myself and the dad pulled 14 acres acres badly infested with the stuff a long time ago, it took 3 years circling back to get it to manageable levels...theres only about 10/20 of the bastards per year in the place now.


    if you can top and spray the place and you dont need to let stock in for a long time then thats less labour intensive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭James2020App


    Thanks on the ragwort advice, what about thistles, for some reason one of the fields this year has become overrun with them?


    I will be spraying them in Spring of next year, so any point in topping them now in the backend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Yea. We’ve farms along us that do nothing and it’s a serious crop at moment, our fields along these farms need constant vigilance. I see one with maybe a dozen plants this year that hasn’t had any in years. Hopefully pull them later.

    we’re down to a tiny fraction of what it was here years ago but that’s taken constant work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Topping is ok for thistles, infact when the cut thistle wilts the cattle will eat them up.

    Topping ragwort is not a great idea. You'd get away with it earlier in the year but when it is at the yellow flower stage its more toxic to cattle (not that they would eat them if there's plenty grass). The main problem with topping ragwort at this time of year and especially in a wet spell is the cuttings will make roots so you end up with 2 plants where there was just one



  • Registered Users Posts: 791 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Did the very same here, finished it off Saturday great satisfaction when you look back and it all cleared..I took my time and dug up any roots where the stalk was broke, hope it won't be as bad next year. It's getting better every year but still had 2 loader buckets in that 3 acre field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Ragwort is biennial. It flowers, seeds and dies in the second year. You might not even casually notice it in its first year as it doesn't grow any sort of a tall stem at all. Cutting it can turn it into a short lived perennial. Up to 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    i don’t think it dies after the second year though. Yes it doesn’t flower in it’s first year.

    topping also disturbs the hormones in the plant changing it’s growth characteristic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    ok to spray it at this time of year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭nklc


    Rented a field crawling with ragwort. In April/ May the following year , sprayed it all with forefront and have Zero ragwort Now . Not too difficult to get rid of if you can get a sprayer in



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    No. You either spray in spring at the rosette stage or in September/October. No frost to be forecast as it hampers kill. Spring this year didn't lend itself well to spraying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Only if it is at the rosette stage. I'll wait for a dry spell in Sept/Oct to spray the regrowth/newly seeded ones. Ragwort, unlike grass, continues growing throughout the winter. I don't want an infestation of overwintering ragwort using up soil nutrients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    If you leave it alone to flower and seed it will die after the second season. Cutting it interrupts that normal cycle and can cause it to come back again though.


    I mean you'll see it in the same spots for years. But that is likely due to other seeds. When it dies after seeding, it creates space to allow it's seeds to grow (the ones that fall close by)



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭farmersfriend


    We sprayed in March, thought it was too cold but zero ragworth after it. Hate pulling ragworth



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Been tipping away at it the last few days, one field a day. Under electric fences where it was never topped seems to be the worst places. Looks to me that if it was cut a few times and keep cattle out afterwards it can be controlled.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Parents were visiting relatives down the country this last couple of days. My uncle was telling my dad of 2 local farmer brothers who started to feel unwell. Tired and no energy. They went to the doctor. He examined them and then looked at their hands. They were yellow. He asked them had they been pulling ragwort. They said yes the place is full of them. Their hands were all cracks and the poison had affected their livers. He told them they'd be lucky to survive. Wear gloves...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Took a pic of the last one standing - I will never again put myself through this torture..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jb1989




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Nice field with the stand of trees. Nice job on the ragwort



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭Tow


    Ragwort is reportable to to the Department of Agriculture, so if you are having difficulties with neighbors...

    https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/68b24-crops/#control-of-noxious-weeds

    https://assets.gov.ie/133292/fe6fa7de-f9ea-4e86-9379-1f624cdf14e5.docx

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Thanks - great shelter whether it's hot sun or wet weather for the animals. Noticed several oak seedlings all over the place this year -



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    If you have the time to gather them in the winter, pot them up and look after them for a few years then it's a great way to regenerate/rejuvenate your hedgerows/field borders - plus it's better than buying imported stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Had ragworth on a piece of land and noticed these black and red butterflies on them, looked them up and they are in fact a moth called Cinnabar that not only lives off rev worth but destroys it, left well alone and the caterpillars ate them right down to the ground, cleared all of them!

    Quick google will show you these and the black and yellow caterpillars, I read that they have been introduced to clear ragworth. I’ve two ragworth this year and am leaving them to see if the moths return again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    We see them but not in sufficient numbers to impact the plants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Had them here, and they seriously reduced the ragwort for about 2 years. Problem is before they completely wipe out ragwort in an area they will move on to somewhere with a more abundant supply. Then the ragwort will return, wouldn't be in their nature to completely destroy their only food source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Yeah, that makes sense, must have been a one off when they completely removed mine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭farmersfriend




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  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Earnshaw


    Isn't there millions of ragwort seeds in the ground anyway. And it will always appear if your own fields are overgrazed and the soil is compacted. Regardless of what the ragworth situation is in neighbours fields...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I’m not sure.

    we have two neighbours that make no efforts to control it, our fields along them would always have new plants while other fields would be always clear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Earnshaw


    Don't know about having that kind of outlook...

    Similar to ragwort when a thistle goes to seed it produces thousands of seeds - but can you imagine how many millions/billions of thistle seeds would be in an acre of ground already anyway.

    Is it a waste of time even considering the effect of neighbouring fields? Like, you would imagine the only way to solve ragwort/thistles is to get your own land management and soil conditions right...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Worst fields we have are along the motorway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Earnshaw


    Worst fields I've seen are ones with ponies in them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,078 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    I was busy at it during the hot spell. Finished a field tonight and will hopefully finish another tomorrow. That just leaves the headlands of the field I sprayed earlier in the year




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Ponies are a problem for land really. They eat nothing but grass. And they eat that grass right to the clay weakening the grass and exposing the clay. This allows more weeds up that they won’t eat and it just gets worse and worse.

    Add to that the fact that most need to be kept limited on food to avoid weight gain and associated problems so are best kept in limited space.



  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Earnshaw


    Don't know if nature intended for cows to graze down paddocks so tight either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I’d agree, just the damn ponies take skinning a paddock to a whole ridiculous level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    We had a massive problem with ragworth years ago ( over 30 years ago) we cut it and then gathered it by hand (there were tailor loads of it), we then got sheep to graze the land, and pulled any that came up, within a few years the land which was once covered in it was more or less clear of it apart from the odd one here and there. Sheep are great for keeping it under control and it doesn't affect them, It's toxic to cattle especially if it's in hay or silage.



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